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I'm currently using royal purple synthetic, do I have to stick with that it a synthetic for that matter? Can I safely switch to a semi synthetic like Lucas or an all purpose 2 cycle oil like Valvoline?
 
i have heard bad things about valvoline.don't know if they are true or not,but just wanted to let you know. i have done alot of research on oils.good oils that are easy to find are lucas,and oddly enough ive read alot of good things about quicksilver premium outboard oil.the quicksilver is a non-synthetic oil that seams to be one of the best.it is carried by walmart for cheap prices too.i use it and it costs about 3.50 to 4.00$ a quart
 
I have been using quicksilver to break in 2 of my motors. It's what gizmomotors recommends and I like that Walmart and auto zone sell it. Good price too
 
i used the walmart oil for the original motor when i got it then did klots

the new motor i got im using penzoil i think its one of the best you could find in stores wise non synthetic
 
The rules on this forum prevent anyone from switching oil. U are stuck using it for the rest of your life... Can i switch toilet paper brands, or do i have to keep using Charmin?
 
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;)Hey, ok my two cents on oil...

These motors are the same as an engine used in a two stroke motorcycle, just smaller. As you know, they run HARD for long periods of time.. So why use non synthetic oil? Engines are proven to run cleaner and last longer with synthetics.

Here is a test that works, if you take two hot frying pans, put non synthetic oil in one, and synthetic in the other you will see the non synthetic oil dance on the hot pan while the synthetic will flatten out and coat the hot surface.. So if synthetics do that, what do you think it is doing in your hot engine? Protecting-

I think alot of people buy the first thing they find, instead of what will work the best. Places like walmart and kmart do not sell high performance oils. What they sell works good for engines that free rev, like weed eaters. Engines that are under alot of load need better oil to avoid thermal breakdown, engine siezure and scorn bearings.

Some auto parts stores sell Redline oils ( the best really ) but thats it. Motorcycle shops are best for good 2-stroke oil, atleast where Im from.

These are my opinions so be nice ;)
 
I have seen this conversation play out several times.

I am the parts manager at a powersports dealership and an ASE certified tech. I hold certifications from motorcycle manufacturers and automobile manufacturers. I started racing 2-stroke dirt bikes 30 years ago.

All oils offer different benefits. Ask two "experts" and get different answers as to which is better. Go buy a quality name brand oil that is made for your purpose. It is most likely that an engine failure will be caused by something other than your oil.

I have seen problems switching back and forth between oils. Swapping between synthetic and bean oils is the biggest problem.

I like castor oil. Even though I know synthetic oils burn cleaner.

This is just my 2 cents.

Techs at our dealership argue about this sometimes. Nobody ever wins!
 
GRIPNRIP123 said:
I have seen this conversation play out several times. I am the parts manager at a powersports dealership and an ASE certified tech. I hold certifications from motorcycle manufacturers and automobile manufacturers. I started racing 2-stroke dirt bikes 30 years ago.

All oils offer different benefits. Ask two "experts" and get different answers as to which is better. Go buy a quality name brand oil that is made for your purpose. It is most likely that an engine failure will be caused by something other than your oil.

I have seen problems switching back and forth between oils. Swapping between synthetic and bean oils is the biggest problem.

I like castor oil. Even though I know synthetic oils burn cleaner.

This is just my 2 cents.

Techs at our dealership argue about this sometimes. Nobody ever wins!
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I can Agree, its a pissing contest. However, synthetic oils have proven results over regular oils in extreme testing, where most 2-stroke run. Im no expert, but a racer, who built and maintained his own engines. Im a true believer for sure. But I can say, I would not mix oils though, I love castor oils, they smell and work great but mixing them with synthetic would be a bad idea.. Personally, I think Redline Synthetic works the best at extended high rpm with air cooled motors. But... thats my opinion. lol
 
i am basing some of my knowledge off of a thread posted by one of the men at gizmomotors.he stated that of all the problems he had seen with the large scale motors,most were caused by synthetic oils.rings not seating,blowback,and all around crappy wear on motors.as soon as he convinced these people to switch to non synthetic oils,and he suggested qucksilver premium,sold at walmart, theyre problems stopped.he stated that these outboard motor companies,like mercury,who makes quicksilver,have done the most exstensive testing on 2 stoke motor wear and oils,and they have put the most r and d into their oils.the quicksilver premium is not just an outboard motor oil,but is made and certfied for use in any 2 stoke engine.
 
kbreaux100 said:
i am basing some of my knowledge off of a thread posted by one of the men at gizmomotors.he stated that of all the problems he had seen with the large scale motors,most were caused by synthetic oils.rings not seating,blowback,and all around crappy wear on motors.as soon as he convinced these people to switch to non synthetic oils,and he suggested qucksilver premium,sold at walmart, theyre problems stopped.he stated that these outboard motor companies,like mercury,who makes quicksilver,have done the most exstensive testing on 2 stoke motor wear and oils,and they have put the most r and d into their oils.the quicksilver premium is not just an outboard motor oil,but is made and certfied for use in any 2 stoke engine.
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You always, even in 4-stroke engines use regular oils to seat rings.. Then when you switch to synthetic to prolong your engine. Its obvious synthetics work if metal on metal contact of the ring against the cylinder walls become protected enough to hinder the break in process.

If the engine is really hot or, by accident its run lean and you did not know it, I would bet money that an engine running synthetic oil would protect long after the same engine running non synthetic oil burned off the internals and siezed something, like a wristpin bearing that takes a ton of heat and gets little lubrication to keep it cool. I have seen more non synthetic oil machines with alot more wear and tear internally then engines with synthetic used oil from day one. Also, synthetic oil does not form nearly the deposits around the combustion chambers and ring lands.

I would guarantee, anyone who races 2-stroke engines, whether it is a 1/5 RC or a Supercross Pro, they would use synthetic oil in their machines. Not only because of sponsorship and its free, but because they know it will protect longer and will put up with the abuse from racing.

The only reason people relate to non synthetic for these engines is that the associate them with weedeaters and chainsaws and can get the oil anywhere, like Wallyworld etc.. The fact is, a 1/5 scale RC is MUCH harder on these engines then either of those examples. If I had to compare, the work load I would say the equivelent would be a Motorcycle to scale. This is reason enough to protect your investment and run the right oil for the job.
 
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