Times are changing.....

MonsterAir

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I reported on this last year or so. Its been on the works and already taken effect in NY @ some towns. Their moving to pass laws against them eventually everywhere.😔👎
What towns don't allow small engines? That's news to me.... I know the new Gov. just signed a bill but that doesn't do into effect for over 10yrs, the cali bill comes in 2yrs 3 months!


Like @Striikar said, this isn't new. Many cities have even forcing gas powered equipment out for years. Propane, diesel, and battery powered equipment is favored. This topic has hit pretty hard with the tree care and logging community. The few professional battery saws are small and don't go long on a charge. This effectively kills off both markets, if nothing else due to the sheer cost of the nessisary batteries to keep a crew running, let alone no replacement for larger displacement equipment. I'm all for new tech, but the idiots pushing for this have no idea what they are proposing. We are not there yet. Batteries arnt even close to the power densities we need, and are far from "green" to produce or dispose of. Next we can move on to the pathetic grid we have state side, a 70odd year old system that was designed to have a 25 year life span. With the bad quilt of patches the electric companies have been using were about 3 steps away from system failure. Take Texas as a grand example. Little bit of cold and the grid failed.
(Which I'll note we use the same generation tech in Antarctica with zero issues, turbines don't care how cold it is)
I'll also note California has been killing off power sports engines for years. You need to get a green/red tag for your atv/bike or rail. This determines if you can run it all the time or just part of the time.
Communism is real brothers get ready.

Agreed it will be fought and pushed back simply because like you said, it's not feasible. Could you imagine what it would take to run a lawn crew on batteries! One guy says he'd need 30-40 packs just to run the day. Thats a lot of recharging every night and I'd assume the packs would need replacing at least once a yr.



I don't think solar is really worth it with the cost u pay upfront, and I doubt it can really save u so much to make it worth it. Then its just another thing to clean and maintain n stuff.

It depends how much sun you get bud and how much square footage your roof has. There are leasing options too. The downfall is how fast everything is moving. Get a system this yr and in 5 the output can almost double. I see theres a new 500w panel out. Pretty sure it used to be 260w but Sean would probably know better as he sounds to be moving in that direction.
 
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Seandonato73

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I don't think solar is really worth it with the cost u pay upfront, and I doubt it can really save u so much to make it worth it. Then its just another thing to clean and maintain n stuff.
Your an idiot.
What towns don't allow small engines? That's news to me.... I know the new Gov. just signed a bill but that doesn't do into effect for over 10yrs, the cali bill comes in 2yrs 3 months!




Agreed it will be fought and pushed back simply because like you said, it's not feasible. Could you imagine what it would take to run a lawn crew on batteries! One guy says he'd need 30-40 packs just to run the day. Thats a lot of recharging every night and I'd assume the packs would need replacing at least once a yr.





It depends how much sun you get bud and how much square footage your roof has. There are leasing options too. The downfall is how fast everything is moving. Get a system this yr and in 5 the output can almost double. I see theres a new 500w panel out. Pretty sure it used to be 260w but Sean would probably know better as he sounds to be moving in that direction.
To your first comment. Normally it's larger cities, ie the likes of Philly, I think Harrisburg it trending that way, and formerly working for local municipality there is a big push for non gas powered equipment. Even state and federal incentives. Some places (thinking new jersey off the top of my head, but I believe Maryland is getting close to the same) require a certain age of equipment, and can even fine a contractor if they have an older non emission compliment machine on site. It's a common issue but becoming more prevalent recently.

Your second comment. I find equally a challenge of efficiency when we're still mostly using Cole as a fuel for power plants, essentially just shifting emissions from one area to another. It's pretty much that cut and dry.

Third comment. Solar tech hasnt changed much in the last 15 to 20 years. I had high hopes by now to have we would have a higher density power option, but they don't exist yet or are too expensive. From what ive seen 360 watts per panel is pretty standard.
Return on investment is actually fairly quick once you figure in inflation of energy prices. My current electric bill is around $300.00. The system is sized to make enough power to supply the houses needs, system cost per month is $161.00, with a $10.00 fee for still being hooked to the line. Which is still less then what I pay every month for electric. If (like I plan) I get it paid off in 10 years I'll be ahead of the game.
All the panels I've been looking at are tier 1 rated and come with at least a 20-25 year output warranty. The lowest guarantees 87% efficiency by year 20 or the panels get replaced.
Now the longevity of the panels have increased do to better materials being used over the individual cells. The last 2 quotes we received both warrant the panels for a golf ball sized hail ball at 300mph, shouldnt even phase them.
Cleaning schedule is about Luke cleaning your windows or exterior of your house, and snow doesn't seem to be a big issue from the people I've talked to with solar systems. As we burn wood to heat the house I'm up on the roof a few times a year to check the chimney out anyway so checking in the panels won't be an issue.
Rood damage is minimal if installed right, most companies have a generous warrantee against leakage. Pretty much if they did their job right they won't damage the roof.
We're there with the panels as far as silicon tech can take us. If we had battery tech that wad good enough to handle day to day maximum loads, most homes could be energy independent. The battery bank (using lithium ion batteries) just is too massive and expensive to be viable. A 30kw system was expected to give me 6 to 8 hours of back up of peak usage. Not acceptable in my book. Coupled with the cost that equals or is greater to system cost it's a bad joke.
 

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I have a 4.1kw system that came with the house.
Paperwork says it cost $23k.
No battery it just feeds the house during the day and any excess is fed back into the power grid.
I get around $30 off my bill per month.
Hardly worth the initial outlay.
 

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as i know, spreading of solar systems / installations are pretty much government support dependents in Europe.
w/o it the ROI is 10yrs on a 4,5kW system.
my bill in Hungary is like 11kHUF ~ 35usd per month for 290kWh and a 4,5kW system costs ~6,5kusd here.

12pcs of Canadian Solar CS3L-375MS 375Wp panel
1pc Fronius Symo 3.0-3M light inverter
holders, brackets, needed solar cables... etc
and installation
 

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we get a 26% tax rebate on total system cost to boot. Your 4kw system is inline with what I've been getting quoted for 9-12 kw systems. Cheapest I've seen so far was $29k most expensive was a 5kw system with battery backup at $64k. Most of them have been in the mod $30k range. That's before the tax rebate.
 

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We get a one off rebate for fitting it and about 7c a K for what we feed into the grid.
Not sure but I think it's about $4k for fitting.
From what I've found out we get a one to one exchange rate, and a bunch of fees dropped because we become a supplier once the system is tied to the grid. There is also a SERC thing, where for each 1kw we produce (does not matter if the house uses it or it goes back out the line) we get one supplier credit, that can be sold to companies that don't meet "green" energy quota per month. Not worth much here in PA, but I can apply that extra money towards the system cost. Right now (it's kinda like a wonky stock of sorts) it's worth around $40.00 per 1kw. The market varies and you can keep the credits for up to 3 years before you have to sell them.
 

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From what I've found out we get a one to one exchange rate, and a bunch of fees dropped because we become a supplier once the system is tied to the grid. There is also a SERC thing, where for each 1kw we produce (does not matter if the house uses it or it goes back out the line) we get one supplier credit, that can be sold to companies that don't meet "green" energy quota per month. Not worth much here in PA, but I can apply that extra money towards the system cost. Right now (it's kinda like a wonky stock of sorts) it's worth around $40.00 per 1kw. The market varies and you can keep the credits for up to 3 years before you have to sell them.

One for one is the way it should be.
They pay us 8c then sell it back to us for 38c.
Go figure. :unsure:
 

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Sorry had chemo yesterday and not quite ready for prime time but I did a quick search and found some info for long island. This is just one,search

https://www.chiefequip.com/leaf-blower-ban

Leaf Blower Ban Long Island NY | Leaf Blower Alternative? Try Battery Powered​

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  2. Leaf Blower Ban Long Island NY | Leaf Blower Alternative? Try Battery Powered

At Chief Equipment, we’re always keeping our eye out for industry trends and how they may affect our customers. We’ve lately been reading about how towns on Long Island and across the country are banning or restricting use of gas-powered leaf blowers due to concerns about noise pollution.

Leaf Blower Bans on Long Island​

The town of North Hempstead passed a law in 2019 that goes into effect this year, banning the use of gas-powered leaf blowers on property within the town’s unincorporated areas between June 15 and Sept. 15.
In September 2019, the town of East Hampton passed a law banning the commercial use of gas and diesel-powered leaf blowers for the summer season. A first-time offender will face a possible $250 to $1000 fine. Those fines go up to $500 and $2500 for second-time offenders, and $1000 to $5000 for a third. Homeowners who wish to use gas-powered leaf blowers are subject to curfews on the equipment.
In April 2019, the town of Southampton also issued a leaf blower ban. Landscapers and homeowners will only be permitted to use gas-powered leaf blowers from September 21 through May 19, between the hours of 8 a.m. and 6 p.m., Monday through Friday, and between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. on Saturday. The use of the equipment will be prohibited on Sundays throughout the year, as well as federal and state holidays. The restrictions also apply to tennis and beach clubs, as well as to municipal employees.
Floral Park is also working on its own leaf blower ban.

Where to Buy Battery Powered Leaf Blowers​

What do these bans mean for you? There’s no need to resign to raking your lawn full of leaves like in yesteryear. Battery-powered leaf blowers are a great alternative for homeowners and landscapers alike. They’re lighter, more energy-efficient, and can still tackle big piles of leaves.
Our favorites are the Stihl Battery Powered Blowers. When you need to clear off a walkway, the benefits of a battery-powered blower are immediately clear. They’re lightweight, powerful and start instantly with the squeeze of a trigger. They’re cordless, easy to use and require no gasoline or fuel mixing.
Have any questions about battery powered blowers? Stop into Chief Equipment's Calverton or Hicksville locations today!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7ny...chmont-noise-pollution-gas-emissions/6537874/

LARCHMONT, Westchester County (WABC) -- Cleaning up your yard will be a bit more difficult for residents and gardeners in the Village of Larchmont in the future.

The Village of Larchmont Board of Trustees unanimously passed a ban on gas-powered leaf blowers effective January 1, 2022. <--THIS DATE -- First in usa!.

It's the first complete ban in the Northeast United States.

They also limited electric leaf blowers to April for spring clean-up, and October 15 to December 15 for fall clean-up.

There could be temporary allowances for extreme weather events as determined by the mayor.

Residents were directed to notify their gardeners. The ban is for all properties, residential and commercial.


Landscapers say the blowers might have to be supplemented by old-fashioned raking. According to some, the additional time, could cost their clients.

Those in favor of the gas-powered leaf blower ban cited environmental emissions and the destruction of insect and wildlife habitats that they say are critical to pollination.

Studies have shown the emissions from a 2-stroke gasoline engine in one hour are comparable to that of 17 cars. In addition, the hurricane-force winds stir up breathable particulates and damage topsoil.

Then there's the ear-splitting noise, which has become more of an issue during the pandemic with many working and going to school from home.

Violators face fines, and not just those operating the equipment. Homeowners who hired them could also be ticketed as well. It's a whole new landscape indeed.

More info search term :
Long island towns banning 2 stroke small engines?
 

Seandonato73

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Sorry had chemo yesterday and not quite ready for prime time but I did a quick search and found some info for long island. This is just one,search

https://www.chiefequip.com/leaf-blower-ban

Leaf Blower Ban Long Island NY | Leaf Blower Alternative? Try Battery Powered​

  1. Home
  2. Leaf Blower Ban Long Island NY | Leaf Blower Alternative? Try Battery Powered

At Chief Equipment, we’re always keeping our eye out for industry trends and how they may affect our customers. We’ve lately been reading about how towns on Long Island and across the country are banning or restricting use of gas-powered leaf blowers due to concerns about noise pollution.

Leaf Blower Bans on Long Island​

The town of North Hempstead passed a law in 2019 that goes into effect this year, banning the use of gas-powered leaf blowers on property within the town’s unincorporated areas between June 15 and Sept. 15.
In September 2019, the town of East Hampton passed a law banning the commercial use of gas and diesel-powered leaf blowers for the summer season. A first-time offender will face a possible $250 to $1000 fine. Those fines go up to $500 and $2500 for second-time offenders, and $1000 to $5000 for a third. Homeowners who wish to use gas-powered leaf blowers are subject to curfews on the equipment.
In April 2019, the town of Southampton also issued a leaf blower ban. Landscapers and homeowners will only be permitted to use gas-powered leaf blowers from September 21 through May 19, between the hours of 8 a.m. and 6 p.m., Monday through Friday, and between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. on Saturday. The use of the equipment will be prohibited on Sundays throughout the year, as well as federal and state holidays. The restrictions also apply to tennis and beach clubs, as well as to municipal employees.
Floral Park is also working on its own leaf blower ban.

Where to Buy Battery Powered Leaf Blowers​

What do these bans mean for you? There’s no need to resign to raking your lawn full of leaves like in yesteryear. Battery-powered leaf blowers are a great alternative for homeowners and landscapers alike. They’re lighter, more energy-efficient, and can still tackle big piles of leaves.
Our favorites are the Stihl Battery Powered Blowers. When you need to clear off a walkway, the benefits of a battery-powered blower are immediately clear. They’re lightweight, powerful and start instantly with the squeeze of a trigger. They’re cordless, easy to use and require no gasoline or fuel mixing.
Have any questions about battery powered blowers? Stop into Chief Equipment's Calverton or Hicksville locations today!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abc7ny...chmont-noise-pollution-gas-emissions/6537874/

LARCHMONT, Westchester County (WABC) -- Cleaning up your yard will be a bit more difficult for residents and gardeners in the Village of Larchmont in the future.

The Village of Larchmont Board of Trustees unanimously passed a ban on gas-powered leaf blowers effective January 1, 2022. <--THIS DATE -- First in usa!.

It's the first complete ban in the Northeast United States.

They also limited electric leaf blowers to April for spring clean-up, and October 15 to December 15 for fall clean-up.

There could be temporary allowances for extreme weather events as determined by the mayor.

Residents were directed to notify their gardeners. The ban is for all properties, residential and commercial.


Landscapers say the blowers might have to be supplemented by old-fashioned raking. According to some, the additional time, could cost their clients.

Those in favor of the gas-powered leaf blower ban cited environmental emissions and the destruction of insect and wildlife habitats that they say are critical to pollination.

Studies have shown the emissions from a 2-stroke gasoline engine in one hour are comparable to that of 17 cars. In addition, the hurricane-force winds stir up breathable particulates and damage topsoil.

Then there's the ear-splitting noise, which has become more of an issue during the pandemic with many working and going to school from home.

Violators face fines, and not just those operating the equipment. Homeowners who hired them could also be ticketed as well. It's a whole new landscape indeed.

More info search term :
Long island towns banning 2 stroke small engines?
I don't even know how to answer to that factually. But yes it's been a thing and it's not going away. If people realized how bad our grid is, and how inefficient power plants really are they wouldn't be making knee jerk decisions like this.
 

Mick Boomer

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Best answer to this is to vote and move away from any libtardville. If you bitch and moan about agendas like this and do not vote, well then you simply don't have a right to bitch and moan about any of the crazy bullshit going on in this country right now….
 

Mick Boomer

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Wow voting is very important. Especially in the Non liberal states.
The comment you just said, is exactly how liberals want you to think.
 
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