What is a clone of what?

[foundryratjim]

In my journey with wanting a Large Scale gas car i decided to focus on Losi, only because that since i have been in RC (early 80's) the Losi brand has been around. Now that I have a 5T, I have been researching parts and upgrades. In doing a search on Ebay i find many parts that are interchangeable with multiple models. So what brands share parts and who has copied who?

 

[DougStar]

In my journey with wanting a Large Scale gas car i decided to focus on Losi, only because that since i have been in RC (early 80's) the Losi brand has been around. Now that I have a 5T, I have been researching parts and upgrades. In doing a search on Ebay i find many parts that are interchangeable with multiple models. So what brands share parts and who has copied who?

well this is can of worms........ buy a losi fix it with losi parts or original aftermarket upgrades

 

[Z.hb71]

Rovan,tit racing, king motor, not name, ect are all clones. I'd buy just real losi and original aftermarket parts (sold at mainly ddm, Detroit performance, rcmax, ect).

 

[evssv]

u have orginal gen parts ?
then the "quality" made parts ?
then the "ok" made parts?
then the "cheap shite" parts☹...imo of course ?

 

[foundryratjim]

Thanks guys i thought this but wanted to check, Anything i have bought so far has come from DDM.

 

[Z.hb71]

then the "cheap shite" parts☹...imo of course ?

being clones of course ?

 

[21bangbang]

Don't some of the more reputable companies also clone? I know a few bigger brands make shortcourse trucks, so some must be clones no? I guess what im saying is all clones cant be bad.

 

[Z.hb71]

Don't some of the more reputable companies also clone? I know a few bigger brands make shortcourse trucks, so some must be clones no? I guess what im saying is all clones cant be bad.

clone is a direct copy of something. shortcourse truck is a vehicle class, while they are often similar (to fit the class) they make them different enough for them not to be a clone (different style suspension, transmission ect) of each other.

 

[DougStar]

Is buying buying counterfeit products ok?‍

Don't some of the more reputable companies also clone? I know a few bigger brands make shortcourse trucks, so some must be clones no? I guess what im saying is all clones cant be bad.

 

[siblues]

I agree with trying to always buy original parts but sometimes you don't have that option even with the big name brand companies.The DBXL is very popular but even some of the parts for that truck are only made by some of the clone companies.The 5T is another story it has an abundance of original part makers.

 

[21bangbang]

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Is buying buying counterfeit products ok?‍

Completely different animal. I guess I just don't get the shear hatred towards the clone buggies. Just think of them

Is buying buying counterfeit products ok?‍

They're more like a generic brand than a counterfeit. I guess I just don't get why they're so despised. My rovan buggy is the only reason im in this hobby. I don't have the money to test the waters on the name brand products. I see their purpose in the market. Agree to disagree I suppose

 

[DougStar]

I bought a running hpi for $200 us after I sold some of the excess parts that it came with ?? only issue was the pullstart butt a had that sorted same day

The problem with clones is the parts don't line up 100% so when you buy upgrade they don't always fit?‍ .......buy a real rig so when you come to upgrading it all works as it should ??
I'm not the first person to find this out.....

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Completely different animal. I guess I just don't get the shear hatred towards the clone buggies. Just think of them
They're more like a generic brand than a counterfeit. I guess I just don't get why they're so despised. My rovan buggy is the only reason im in this hobby. I don't have the money to test the waters on the name brand products. I see their purpose in the market. Agree to disagree I suppose

 

[Z.hb71]

I bought a running hpi for $200 us after I sold some of the excess parts that it came with ?? only issue was the pullstart butt a had that sorted same day
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The problem with clones is the parts don't line up 100% so when you buy upgrade they don't always fit?‍ .......buy a real rig so when you come to upgrading it all works as it should ??

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Also, it is counterfeit. A fake is a fake, with your logic, a clone Rolex that looks identical to a Rolex and let's say, said Rolex was very distinct and one of its kind, and there's a blatant rip off, "oh it's just generic" no it's a rip off. No ripping off should be tolerated, small or big scale period
That was also probably one of the shittiest examples you've ever heard but I hope i got my point across ??

 

[DougStar]

I don't have the money to test the waters on the name brand products.

200 for original hpi?? "brand name"??

 

[Z.hb71]

200 for original hpi?? "brand name"??

Parts fit right an no dodgy build quality (even if it's 10+ yrs old an beat to fek like mine) ?

 

[Proxythrasher]

Don't some of the more reputable companies also clone? I know a few bigger brands make shortcourse trucks, so some must be clones no? I guess what im saying is all clones cant be bad.

yes of course they do. Often its the same truck ,that each company just add a bell or a whistle to and their logo and presto. Its their 'version'. There are a couple of large Chinese toy makers that pretty much have the market for smaller nylon plastic models cornered and I have seen their chassis with a lot of different hats on. Even from otherwise reputable racing brands that want to reach into the mainsteam a little more and get their own "advertisement pen car". I don't know what else to call it. Its like a "we are here too" more than a real effort to try and go up against TraxxAss, wHoreizon etc. on their hometurf. I suspect.

.. sometimes you don't have that option even with the big name brand companies

And some times the copy product just look better. I quite like the look of KM's hats.

 

[Billp]

Gonna buck the trend here and say I have a few king motor X2 plastic parts on my 5ive. Most parts on my 5ive will be replaced with Losi parts or aftermarket when they wear out but allot of the plastic parts in the UK are vastly over priced. Why would I pay £40 for a cage panel when I can get it for less than £5? Arms are £35 quid for two or just a few £ from KM and the plastic quality is the same.

My only advice though is the KMX2, 30DNT and the Rovan are clones and are not from the same molds or designs. Allot of parts are a fraction of a mm out to several mm. The KM radio tray barely fits a 5ive chassis for instance. The clone metal parts are also inferior quality.

 

[shaunomercy]

I have the 30 North version of the 5t. The losi hop ups I've bought have fitted no issue.
The 30 North dnt has a stronger chassis and superior shell, and a performance exhaust and lipo ready servos.
And is half the price of a losi 5t in the UK..
I'm pretty sure it's a fair comment to say the losi isn't £700 quid / 1000 dollars better than the 30 North.

 

[Seandonato73]

A clone is a clone mate, 30N is a good aftermarket with very good parts interchangeably to oem. That's not the case for what we are talking about.

 

[Z.hb71]

Personally I don't care how good they make it seem. Unless the original is absolute dog poop (which it ain't) im never supporting rip offs. That's me.