Best Pipe?

[speciAlex]

I have just one question to ask. I have a FG 2 wheel drive Baja with a fully modified port and polished 30.5 ESP motor and running a DDM pipe at the moment. The DDM top end pipe is good but I am looking for something better. I am considering ordering a VRC pipe but they don't make the PRO pipe for the FG, But is the regular non Pro VRC pipe any good for my 30.5 ESP? So my next option would be a Jetpro pipe unsilenced. Now my question to you guys out there is. Which pipe is a better pipe VRC non pro, Jetpro or stick with my DDM topend pipe? Now if they had made the Victory Pro pipe for the FG I would not be putting up this post . Let me know guys if one of you out there did any real world testing on these 3 Pipes on a FG vehicle and which one would be the best for my 30.5 ESP fully modified port and polished motor.

 

[RaviAuto]

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[hyper 78]

I have just one question to ask. I have a FG 2 wheel drive Baja with a fully modified port and polished 30.5 ESP motor and running a DDM pipe at the moment. The DDM top end pipe is good but I am looking for something better. I am considering ordering a VRC pipe but they don't make the PRO pipe for the FG, But is the regular non Pro VRC pipe any good for my 30.5 ESP? So my next option would be a Jetpro pipe unsilenced. Now my question to you guys out there is. Which pipe is a better pipe VRC non pro, Jetpro or stick with my DDM topend pipe? Now if they had made the Victory Pro pipe for the FG I would not be putting up this post . Let me know guys if one of you out there did any real world testing on these 3 Pipes on a FG vehicle and which one would be the best for my 30.5 ESP fully modified port and polished motor.

hi buddy, im in the same boat and have been for months, i have an fg marder, when i got it ,it had a standard crappy can, then i brought a jetpro v2 unsilenced and it gave it loads of power and revs, well happy, i wouldnt swap it for anything else, as soon as my mates seen it(3 of thgem have fg's) they went and got the pipe,the silenced version.
Well now ivw just got a fully ported motor and tried the jetpro on it and its awesome,but i know the victory pro will be better and revs 500rpm more, ive emailed companies around europe looking for the pro pipe,but only came up with the normal victory, i was told by an engine builder who deals with victory, that the 'normal victory' will be very good also,might not peak at the same power but thats cool as long as it has a good power curve.Im also looking for the pro for my hormann,there wasnt one but been told its coming at the end of the month.
If you can get the pro, id get the jetpro,i have some videos running the jp on a standard 28.5cc 2 bolt and it went like stink then and gave me 55 mph! I saw a dyno with the ddm dom and didnt do anywhere as well as the pro on a ported motor,on a standard motor the dom does very well, now im trying to find out how the jetpro does on the 27.2 ported engine,will finish running the ebgine in today.
I think victory pro will be best,but they don't make them. if you are into your really high speed stuff,get the jetpro. also consider the cpi,if they make one for fg's,they did well on the baja,but a different desighn.

http://www.sparetec-rc.com/27_victory-rc

http://www.pitstop-shop.nl/nl/dept_880.html

basically i know the engine i have makes 7.5hp with the victory pro and 5.5 with the dom, huge difference,im hoping the jetpro makes between 6.5 and 7ish.
also don't forget before victory took on the pipe it was manufactured bu rn tuning,fat pipe.
Have a word with 46u,he seems to know about the pipes and these engines.

 

[speciAlex]

Thanks Hyper 78 for the info, especially telling me that the Jetpro pipe gave you 7.5HP compare to the DDM pipe which gave you 5HP. Now can you tell me were can I pick up a Jetpro V2. I know that Daves Motors has the Jetpro unsilenced but it doesn't say if its a V2. Let me know and thanks again for your info.

 

[hyper 78]

Thanks Hyper 78 for the info, especially telling me that the Jetpro pipe gave you 7.5HP compare to the DDM pipe which gave you 5HP. Now can you tell me were can I pick up a Jetpro V2. I know that Daves Motors has the Jetpro unsilenced but it doesn't say if its a V2. Let me know and thanks again for your info.

hi buddy, you get pipes for ported engines and so on,
I said the victory pro makes 7,5hp on the obr lr fm, and the dom around 5.5 ish, i don't know what the jetpro makes but i took my marder out today with tal gears 22/42 with 17/48 lay/diff, it was wheelying on tarmac with gravel tyres on!!! now im starting to see what this engine is capable of, i know its not at its peak yet but is already more powerful and revvy then any other motor ive ran,none come close, forget about the bhp and how it revs,the proof is in the pudding. I would definatly say go with the jetpro, ive seen the fastest f baja using the jetypro,that does 95mph!!! Oneill brothers use 2 jetpros on their toxic twin and that is crazy!!

http://images.rcuniverse.com/forum/upfiles/160826/Mk26079.jpg

 

[speciAlex]

Hyper 78, Thanks again for your info, especially the Dyno graph. I did see that Miamijatos FG is doing like 90 something MPH on a Jetpro pipe. Oneill brothers told me if I want to put a Victory Pro Pipe on my FG Baja I would have to buy the Victory Pro pipe for the HPI Baja and just turn it around to fit it on a FG Baja, it would work but its going to stick out too much from the rear. And the high speed oval track I race you get rear ended just sitting there, lots of non experience guys learning how to race at this 1/4 mile oval track bike field we race on. I guess Ill try out the Jetpro. Thanks Again Hyper

 

[whittron]

I wouldnt run a Jetpro pipe,or let alone waist my money on one,there mostly a topend pipe,i have one and would never buy another,i don't know what dyno your testing on but i would check that thing,if you want low end then a rear dom is the way to go,i would check out the fg tuned pipes,in my opion Jetpros are crap,ive seen the dyno runs on a few of the Jetpro pipes,and acctually one i seen the stock 5t can made more hp.

 

[hyper 78]

I wouldnt run a Jetpro pipe,or let alone waist my money on one,there mostly a topend pipe,i have one and would never buy another,i don't know what dyno your testing on but i would check that thing,if you want low end then a rear dom is the way to go,i would check out the fg tuned pipes,in my opion Jetpros are crap,ive seen the dyno runs on a few of the Jetpro pipes,and acctually one i seen the stock 5t can made more hp.

lol, no one mentioned a low end pipe, we was going on about top speeds etc, you should read the whole thread to get the gist of vthe topic, high speed oval track, maximum revs and all that,if you think that he should buy a low end pipe for high speed,high revving racing then fair enough,regarding the 5t can , when i took my stock can off and put the jetpro on(at the time a standard 28cc) it was able to pull 40 mph,after jetpro 55mph, alot more powerful, what a difference, i cant see a stock can being anywhere near it lol, i got pipe modded last week and put the stock pipe on,took it on a field and turn it off within 5 minutes,was so slow and unpowerful,i don't know if your familiar with fg gear ratios,but i was using 22/42 and keeping up with marders with standard gears, while still wheel spinning , until i got to around 30 mph, then just left them upto mid 50's.
i do alot of high speed running, jetpro is one of the best for that,2 fg's running the jpv2 are doing mid 90's, people say its a top end pipe,which it is, but still gives good power down low, i don't need any more wheelspin down low with a torque pipe, depends what you are wanting to do .if you are into dunes and tall grass, hill climbing,the do nuts thing, then get a dominator but personally i prefer the jetpro, i have the low end pipe on my hormann, it s ok, but only because it handle so well, everyone has preferences, watch the videos,see how they perform,like i said, forget about hp numbers and printouts etc,

but anyway since we on about dom low end and jetpro high end ,heres a video with them both together, the jepro comes on after around 50 seconds
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like i said,my jetpro has plenty of power down low,but goes mental from mid to high. i got enough low end,don't need more wasted wheelspin,especially now running a better motor
ps, both running the same carb,same cy 28.5 head.

 

[whittron]

Like you said read the whole thread,i didnt say every Jetpro pipe puts out less power then stock 5t can,the one i seen was a rear mount,and the stock 5t can which is bigger then the stock can on a Baja,and if you took the time to read what i posted,i never said he was looking for a lowend pipe,what iu said was,if he wants lowend the the rear dom is the pipe to get.

 

[hyper 78]

I took the time to read the whole thread I wrote half of it,I also read ur post as I replied to it.a thread about high speed desipline and high reving pipes,we talking about a pipe for a fg ,a jetpro,then u cum on saying ther crap then I reply and you say there not all the same,since u read it properly u saw we was talking. About a specific pipe for high speed stuff.so why would he wan't a torque low end pipe,has nothing to do with thread and you didn't give him any advice regarding his application u just saw us talking about a jetpro. N thought ud use the. Oppurtunity to say they are crap.and if all jetpros are different,when we talkin about the fg. One, y say the 5t can is better? Also u say u read it Properly so u read we talking about a high end pipe for high speeds n revs then cum on saying u wouldn't touch one as they are a high end pipe.sounds like u didn't read anythin,just saw a convo about a jpro and jumped on it because u don't like it.irrelevant to the thread!

 

[hyper 78]

Sorry about that, where was we? I was wondering what sorts of dspeed are u reaching on the straights, and what gear ratio are you using, I've sent a few more emails around rergarding the victory,like I said, they slightly out rev the jpro on the obr long block, the hpi dominator came way down,but work great on a mmr pro mx,so maybe fifferent for different portinhg,I've just. About ran in my engine and its an animmal,I may even stick with my pipe!good look

 

[speciAlex]

wow did I start this. anyway I am looking for a topend pipe not low end. I run my FG Baja on a 1/4 mile oval track and I am looking for better performance than what I am getting now with my top end DDM pipe thats installed on a 30.5 ESP fully port and polished Zenoah motor. It looks like a jetpro its the way to go but if the Victory non Pro pipe is a better pipe, then can any one give me proof on a Dyno chart. I have all Winter to decide what to get. Thanks Again 4 your input guys

 

[renbar]

i run the victory pipe on my 23cc oddified and find it much better in low mid and top than the jet pro it replaced it looks better fits better and sounds better,mines not the pro pipe whatever that is, as mines one of the early vrc's but pro or not it works i will try and find the vid of it with my mates mcd running a 27cc race ported oneils a quick car and 4wd both are very heavy full alloy cars his runs a rn bullit pipe,the oddie is pushing out @6hp which for a 23cc is mental and they way it revs is like its permanatly running nos

 

[hyper 78]

hi,yes the victory is supposidly a great pipe, the victory pro was made for ported engines (obr)and the victory for stock, im running the long rod 27.2cc which with the victory pro produces 7.5hp and revs real high, i was thinking of getting one but now ive done 2 tanks , my marder an absolute animal,with the jetpro v2, but ive been told its revs out 500 rpm less then the victory.

I know for a fact the jetpro isnt as good as the victory pro, but in the relativly light weight marder its still crazy fast!!! it makes the last two tuned /ported engines i had feel muted,but then again they were used when i got them .Funnily enough i went to the mansfield bash at weekend, i was on the main big car park with a guy that had an ftx punisher with an oddified red heli engine and a victory pipe, i was bashing next to him and i was basically wheelying past him with 22/42 gears and 17 layshaft,with those gears it seemed that my marder was revving out at just under 60mph, so with those tall gears i was still hitting top revs,so ive got taller gears coming (obviously just for high speed running etc,would be useless in small areas) i will get a vid up soon,ive just took the engine out to try in one of my other buggies as it has eaten mt diff gear as it was loose.
, im still thinking of getting an oddified for my hormann, when i can drive it better on a astro track lol (a stock 26cc is enough on track),,ive been on the notts/derby track last 3 weekends, if i think i can get into it,then yes,the oddified will 100% be my first choice,but if i don't get into racing and i use the hormann for bashing, then ill definatly put a obr long rod full mod in that too,just for the sheer power output.
we know its good to know the power of your engine,but the real test is how it performs when being used,and by the looks of your video with the 23cc oddy, it looks as tho' it goes like stink buddy! i think your mates engine/head is a obr race ported engine.obr do 4 stages in this order: raceported 4.5 - 5hp , prostock 5 -5.5 , fullmod 6 - 6.5 , fullmod long rod.7 - 7.5 (the prostock took over the raceported and was slightly higher in power,they also made a track mod engine but i don't know anything about that one) a great engine for any basher is one that makes them happy and is fun,weather it 3hp or 6hp.

 

[renbar]

spot on you can have all the power in the world if you cant put it down theres no point and it don't mean poop when your pasted by a stock setup,sometimes i can hammer the crap out the bug and its quick then other times its a handfull and nearly undrivable all depends on the ground

 

[hyper 78]

spot on you can have all the power in the world if you cant put it down theres no point and it don't mean poop when your pasted by a stock setup,sometimes i can hammer the crap out the bug and its quick then other times its a handfull and nearly undrivable all depends on the ground

yes,true,if too much power and wasted in wheelspin it means nothing!, usuable power is what its about,io have been looking for a victory pro for the hormann for a few months,but am having trouble finding one,so the next pipe on the list will be the victory, i know they work wonders on stock engines, and looks good on your ported engine.did you ever try the jetpro with your oddi,or had you already brought the victory by then.?ive seen a dyno that says the vic gives a zen 26cc 5.2hp. heard nothing but great things about the victory,
in that video the oddi sounds like it hits full revs real fast,and its sounds like its so much revier then the race ported oneills your mate has,but then again,that oddi will have a lot more work done to it then the oneills race ported.thats why when you race him you overtook him like he wasnt moving lol,am i right to say that used to be ians own personal motor,so im sure its had plenty of work done to it,i think i remember seeing the picture of the cylinder, very nice,and very lucky to land an engine that was his lol.

 

[hyper 78]

wow did I start this. anyway I am looking for a topend pipe not low end. I run my FG Baja on a 1/4 mile oval track and I am looking for better performance than what I am getting now with my top end DDM pipe thats installed on a 30.5 ESP fully port and polished Zenoah motor. It looks like a jetpro its the way to go but if the Victory non Pro pipe is a better pipe, then can any one give me proof on a Dyno chart. I have all Winter to decide what to get. Thanks Again 4 your input guys

lol,no you didnt start anything!, anyway im waiting fior a reply from victory regarding the pro,if i cant get it i ill get the victory bb for the hormann, should still be good,but like you know it wasnt made with the ported motors in mind,like the the victory pro,which also revs higher,but just like renbar said,his vic makes more power then the jetpro.
i think our engines are probably at a similar level of tune,mines a 27.2cc tho',
I will get the victory and try it with the long rod and see how it compares to the jetpro ,as ive already tested it on that block,i feel the jetpro did do well on he obr but id like to see how the victory goes,its a real shame the pro isnt produced for the marder or hormann.

if you do end up with the jetpro ,here is a video of one on a stock engine,28cc, so it will be better with your 30.5 by a long way,im using tall gears 22/40(YES IT DID FIT LOL) which is touring car gearing,but as you can see,it still gets to top end relatively fast, what is your speeds at the end of the straights on the tracks u use? and what gearing are you using?

 

[renbar]

yes,true,if too much power and wasted in wheelspin it means nothing!, usuable power is what its about,io have been looking for a victory pro for the hormann for a few months,but am having trouble finding one,so the next pipe on the list will be the victory, i know they work wonders on stock engines, and looks good on your ported engine.did you ever try the jetpro with your oddi,or had you already brought the victory by then.?ive seen a dyno that says the vic gives a zen 26cc 5.2hp. heard nothing but great things about the victory,
in that video the oddi sounds like it hits full revs real fast,and its sounds like its so much revier then the race ported oneills your mate has,but then again,that oddi will have a lot more work done to it then the oneills race ported.thats why when you race him you overtook him like he wasnt moving lol,am i right to say that used to be ians own personal motor,so im sure its had plenty of work done to it,i think i remember seeing the picture of the cylinder, very nice,and very lucky to land an engine that was his lol.

yes it was ians own engine he built it in feb 2006 its a converted 2 bolt bottom end and a 4 bolt heli head there obsene amounts of porting inside the head i did have the vrc on a couple of engines before the oddie a 26cc cy a 29cc ddm they both went realy well im thinking of putting the tps redrace setup on after xmas

 

[hyper 78]

yes it was ians own engine he built it in feb 2006 its a converted 2 bolt bottom end and a 4 bolt heli head there obsene amounts of porting inside the head i did have the vrc on a couple of engines before the oddie a 26cc cy a 29cc ddm they both went realy well im thinking of putting the tps redrace setup on after xmas

id like to know how the tps ignition system is on ya oddie! ive heard that it will smoothen out the power and give a slight power increase, with the engine already being super smooth,i would imagine it will be very nice drive.

That is alot of work done but if i was making engines for my competitors,id think id have to have something special for myself,lol, so you know you have a right piece of kit there and i didnt know its a 23cc heli head, i guess thats why it revs so well.
ive put the o.b.r 27.2 in the hormann now,as it blew my fg diff to pieces(think it was already on its way out before i put the o.b.r in,that just finished it off) it has the stock hormann pipe,together the power delivery is real smooth and pipe is quiet, actually its that smooth and quiet i didnt realise it was as quick as it was until my mates were telling me,seems a bit weired to have it running real fast with great acceleration without the noise of a loud pipe, i think the noise can be deceptive.

 

[renbar]

he uses the heli heads because they have better plating i think i read somewhere,this maybe why its still going strong with no signs of dulling or problems with the plating using these heli heads you need to mount the coil onto the fan cover as theres no mounting points on the head