Elcon alloy ?

[voo2doo]

I was on the phoneto a certain Modelshop today and was going to buy a few more bits of alloy for one of my cars.When i asked what was the best he said to stick with the FG stuff as its virtually bullet proof. I asked him about the Elcon stuff and he said to keep well away as it was like "swiss cheese,soft and bendy"
Has anyone had any issuse with it and in our your veiws what do you have and what do you recommend ?
J.

 

[charlieboy]

that funny james i was told that it the other way around bud, they said that the elcon stuff is probably the stongest around!!!

 

[Large Scale Alloy]

Elcon by far is much stronger and nicer than FG stuff. I have been using elcon stuff for over 5 years and will never go back to FG alloy. You pay a little more for the Elcon but the quality is above and beyond the higher price.

 

[slawhammer]

Hey VooDoo..that's cuz the guy at the model shop don't want to pay the high vat & shipping for the elon parts....Elon parts are about the same as Fg parts....
only big difference is some desin changes..maybe stronger alloy...........
I know 1 of the owners of elon company...He races ......You may pay a little more for
elon..But you have the best ther is.......just my opinion...Slawhammer

 

[Trebor]

im wondering if that certain model shop is near to where i live

they will tell you that maybe cause they deal with FG and not elcon

as slaw says the cost to send from elcon is pricey (check krikke alloy)

the FG alloy most of it is cast and then as they say machined but

the Elcon is billet one piece alloy then machined out of solid

it may be a little softer but twice as good

:nono:you know very well James buy the best and you wont go wrong

 

[voo2doo]

"im wondering if that certain model shop is near to where i live" ....Hmmm,I say nothing.
Just needed your opinion fellas.
Anyway this is unbeliveble. I was after a set of the alloy hub extenders(or whatever you call them) and I was digging around in my ever growing box of FG/MCD spares and found a brand new ,in the pack set of the items in question! I didnt even know I had:no:. What luck,just saved myself £30 ish.
J.

 

[charlieboy]

luck man good job you looked b4 shellin out some ££££ :cool2:

 

[mattc]

The Elcon ones should be stronger as they are billet, but the proof is in the pudding(or the eating).
I go one the idea of if I hit a wall at speed it doesn't matter what alloy it is and if it's just a everyday tumble due to poor driving make sure there's a week link IE: plastic rose joint, so it's a cheap and easy fix.
Matt.

 

[mattc]

I was on the phoneto a certain Modelshop today and was going to buy a few more bits of alloy for one of my cars.When i asked what was the best he said to stick with the FG stuff as its virtually bullet proof. I asked him about the Elcon stuff and he said to keep well away as it was like "swiss cheese,soft and bendy"
Has anyone had any issuse with it and in our your veiws what do you have and what do you recommend ?
J.

That's the trouble with advice from someone who's selling something Voo, there's normally a Ulterior motive(yes I know I'm cynical) and that's the price we pay for living in a capitalist society. The only real advice is from family and friends.
Matt.

 

[voo2doo]

That's the trouble with advice from someone who's selling something Voo, there's normally a Ulterior motive(yes I know I'm cynical) and that's the price we pay for living in a capitalist society. The only real advice is from family and friends.
Matt.

:crying:
J.

 

[mattc]

Sorry was that to heavy:boat:

 

[Super654]

"im wondering if that certain model shop is near to where i live" ....Hmmm,I say nothing.
Just needed your opinion fellas.
Anyway this is unbeliveble. I was after a set of the alloy hub extenders(or whatever you call them) and I was digging around in my ever growing box of FG/MCD spares and found a brand new ,in the pack set of the items in question! I didnt even know I had:no:. What luck,just saved myself £30 ish.
J.

You nut bag....lol....

Are those rear hubs not the raised version?

 

[Bigger the Better]

the FG alloy most of it is cast and then as they say machined but
the Elcon is billet one piece alloy then machined out of solid
it may be a little softer but twice as good

I'm not sure I believe that?:dots: Not any of my FG parts look cast. They are not buffed or shinned like Elcon which also will cost more though.

that's the price we pay for living in a capitalist society. Matt.

And what would be better? Without it we would not have our hobby.:no:

It's slowly fading here.......

 

[Trebor]

you would be suprised what is cast and what isnt

 

[voo2doo]

Marxism myself!:2guns::2guns::gun_bandana::gun_bandana:sama::detective::clap::yuk::devil2::cup-3::innocent::arabia::cowboy::hit-it:
Socialism vs. Capitalism

Over the past few decades Western European countries have have passed laws and taken other steps towards socialism (or Marxism). This, combined with globalization, has lead to increased pressure on the United States to become more socialistic. Although the ideas of socialism seem appealing, it a fundamentally flawed system and it begins a slippery slope that falls into communism.

Wikipedia defines socialism as "a social and economic system (or the political philosophy advocating such a system) in which the economic means of production are owned and controlled collectively by the people. Many socialist ideas come from Marxism (more commonly, "communism"), which essentially calls for a reversal of what we know as the structure of society. In The Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx predicts that the proletariats will overthrow the bourgeoisie (which seems to be happening to some degree). The bourgeoisie are upper management and upper class, the white collar workers, while the proletariats are the working class, the blue collar workers. Since the proletariats "do all the work", Marx and other socialists suggest that they should get an equal share of the wealth. A Marxist society would have no private property rights and goods produced in it would be distributed among the citizens--"from each according to his ability, to each according to his need."

The idea of a Marxist society is very alluring. In today's world of freedom and fairness, the notion of everyone being completely equal, even if this means taking from the rich and giving to the poor, seems just; however, the defect in Marxism is obvious. It is dependent on a type of human nature that is hard to come by. For Marxism to work, very little greed and jealosy can exist and people must have a general feeling of charity and a willingness to work their hardest for the good of everyone. These are obviously not common traits. Marxism could also work if those who have the greatest abilities and those who work the hardest are satisfied with rewards equivalent to those with lesser abilities and those who don't work hard at all. This is also very unlikely. Marxism undoubtedly leads to free riding and slacking.

On the other hand, capitalism utilizes the willpower of individuals, especially entrepreneurs, to foment economic activity. Capitalism is based on the assumption that individuals operate based on self interest; however, by doing so they not only help themselves, but also propel others towards economic success. As Adam Smith put it, "by directing that industry in such a manner as its produce may be of the greatest value, he intends only his own gain, and he is in this, as in many other cases, led by an invisible hand to promote an end which was no part of his intention. Nor is it always the worse for society that it was no part of his intention. By pursuing his own interest he frequently promotes that of the society more effectually than when he really intends to promote it."

I was given an assignment by a teacher in high school to write a paper on whether capitalism or communism would be better in "a perfect world." On first glance, communism seems to be the obvious choice, but if it were a perfect world, then not only would people work hard to support their families and progress individually, but even capitalists would be willing to donate to charities, etc. I believe that in a perfect world, a very similar outcome would occur in either communism or capitalism.

The communist societies that have been or are being attempted are really not communist societies at all, although they try to be. The USSR, for example, attempted communism but ended up being way to totaliarianistic--in stead of everyone working for the benefit of the society, there was a group of individuals with total power (Joseph Stalin took this role for a quarter century). Today's China is the same way--there is a centralized bureaucracy that calls all the shots. In both of these cases many people are forced to take part in the society against their own will. The Soviet Union obviously didn't work and China is becoming more prosperous only as they allow their economy to be more capitalistic. Taiwan, China's capitalistic counterpart, is years ahead of China on almost any measure of prosperity.

The fact is that people can't be forced to take part in communism. It simply won't work unless everyone is willing, and even then greed can easily lead to its demise. On the other hand, capitalism can work even if there are some who don't want to pull their weight--the difference is that those that don't pull their weight will suffer the consequences. Just like in communism, capitalism will work better if everyone works hard to produce valuable products. Also just like in communism, a capitalist society where there exists charity and good will will eliminate preventable suffering of all individuals.

So why has France passed a socialistic labor law which makes it very hard to lay off workers? Why does Canada have government sponsered, free health care? Why do some American workers pay over a third of their income in taxes? Why do so many nations tax and then dole out excessive welfare checks?

It seems as though we are doing the very thing that history has proven doesn't work: forcing socialism. How can France expect its workers to work hard if it's nearly impossible to fire them? How can we expect welfare recipients to find jobs if it's easy for them to sit at home and get welfare? I know that there is a real need for welfare among some people, but there are others who smoke and drink and do nothing to better themselves. Socialism is forced on the rest of Americans when they are taxed and their money goes to such people. If this continues, Americans will become more and more lazy and our nation will degenerate to a quasi-socialist, nonproductive society.

The US is taking baby steps towards socialism. We may not be as far as France, and we're definitely not as far as China, but unless we reverse the current trend we will suffer the consequences.

 

[mattc]

Chill Voo......

 

[voo2doo]

LMAO!! You started it!
J.:cool2:

 

[mattc]

We all have bad days, I could always start on politics if you like.........
Matt.

 

[dwarfy]

How the fook did elcon alloy turn into this.....

 

[voo2doo]

As you know Andy ,Elcon comes from the Netherlands and here is a political view.

Constitution

Main article: Constitution of the Netherlands
The constitution lists the basic civil and social rights of the Dutch citizens and it describes the position and function of the institutions that have executive, legislative and judiciary power.
It should be noted that the constitution of the Netherlands is only applicable in the European part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. The Kingdom as a whole has its own Statute, describing its federate political system which also includes the Caribbean islands of Aruba and the Netherlands Antilles.
The Netherlands do not have a Constitutional Court and judges do not have the authority to review laws on their constitutionality. International treaties and the Statute of the Kingdom, however, overrule Dutch law and the constitution and judges are allowed to review laws against these in a particular court case. Furthermore all legislation that is not a law in the strict sense of the word (such as policy guidelines or laws proposed by provincial or municipal government) can be tested on their constitutionality.
Amendments to the constitution must be approved by both Houses of the States-General twice. The first time around, this requires a simple majority of fifty percent plus one vote. After parliament has been dissolved and general elections are held, both Houses must approve the proposed amendments with a two thirds majority.
[edit]Political institutions

Major political institutions are the monarchy, the cabinet, the States General (parliament) and the judicial system. There are three other High Colleges of state, which stand on equal foot with parliament but have a less political role, of which the Council of State is the most important. Other levels of government are the municipalities, the waterboards and the provinces. Although not mentioned in the constitution, political parties and the social partners organised in the Social Economic Council are important political institutions as well.
It is important to realise that the Netherlands does not have a traditional separation of powers: according to the States-General and the government (the Queen and cabinet) share the legislative power. All legislation has to pass through the Raad van State and the social-economic council advises the government on most social-economic legislation. The executive power is reserved for government. Note however that the Social-Economic Council has the special right to make and enforce legislation on several sectors, mostly in agriculture. The judicial power is divided into two separate systems of courts. For civil and criminal law the independent Hoge Raad is the highest court. For administrative law the Raad van State is the highest court, which is ex officio chaired by the Queen.
[edit]Monarchy


Queen Beatrix, the current Dutch monarch
Main article: Dutch Monarchy
The Netherlands have been a monarchy since March 16, 1815, and have been governed by members of the House of Orange-Nassau ever since.
The present monarchy was originally founded in 1813. After the expulsion of the French, the Prince of Orange was proclaimed Sovereign Prince of The Netherlands. The new monarchy was confirmed in 1815 at the Congress of Vienna as part of the re-arrangement of Europe after the fall of Napoleon Bonaparte. The House of Orange-Nassau were given the present day Netherlands and Belgium to govern as the United Kingdom of the Netherlands. Between 1815 and 1890, the King of the Netherlands was also Grand Duke of Luxembourg.
The current monarch is Queen Beatrix. The heir apparent is Willem-Alexander, her son.
Constitutionally, the Queen is head of state and has a role in the formation of government and in the legislative process. She has to co-sign every law to make it valid. The monarch is also ex officio chair of the Council of State, which advises the cabinet on every piece of legislation and is the final court for administrative law. Although the Queen takes these functions seriously, she refrains from exerting her power in these positions. The Queen also plays a central role in the formation of a cabinet after general elections or a cabinet crisis. Since coalition cabinets of two or more parties are the rule, this process has influence on government policy for years to come. She appoints the (in)formateur, who chairs the formation talks, after consulting the leaders of all parties represented in parliament. When the formation talks have been concluded the Queen appoints the cabinet. Because this advice is a matter of public record, the Queen can not easily take a direction which is contrary to the advice of a majority in parliament. On the other hand, what is actually talked about behind the closed doors of the palace is not known. When a cabinet falls, the prime minister has to request the Queen to dismiss the cabinet.
[edit]Cabinet
Main article: Cabinet of the Netherlands
The government of the Netherlands constitutionally consists of the Queen and the cabinet ministers. The Queen's role is limited to the formation of government and she does not actively interfere in daily decision-making. The ministers together form the Council of Ministers. This executive council initiates laws and policy. It meets every Friday in the Trêveszaal at the Binnenhof. While most of the ministers head government ministries, since 1939 it has been permissible to appoint ministers without portfolio.
The Cabinet is composed of all cabinet ministers and junior ministers, the staatssecretarissen. Junior ministers take over part of responsibilities of minister. They only attend the meetings of the Council of Ministers if the Council invites them regarding a specific subject.
The Council of Ministers makes decisions by means of collegiate governance. All ministers, including the Prime Minister, are (theoretically) equal. Behind the closed doors of the Trêveszaal, ministers can freely debate proposed decisions and express their opinion on any aspect of cabinet policy. Once a decision is made by the council, all individual members are bound by it and are obliged to support it publicly. If a member of the cabinet does not agree with a particular decision he will have to step down. Generally much effort is put into reaching relative consensus on any decision. A process of voting within the Council does exist, but is hardly ever used.
The cabinet is collectively responsible to Parliament, and must enjoy its confidence. It is not possible to for a minister to be a member of parliament, although many ministers are selected from parliament and have to give up their seat as a result. Ministers or junior ministers who are no longer supported by a parliamentary majority are expected by convention to step down.
As a result of the electoral system and the lack of dominating parties, coalition cabinets, composed out of two or three parties, are the norm.
The current cabinet of the Netherlands has the following composition:


Well you did ask! Now that should settle everything.
J.