OBR 46/47 Full mod vs Taylor 46GT?

[Dunc2504]

Another consideration for me would be the service .
I have ordered lots of stuff from Taylor and got it next day or day after in all cases.
Ordered a velocity stack from OBR UK on 5th December and heard NOTHING from them since , they have taken payment . messaged twice, still nothing .
Messaged OBR in USA and got a message to say they would be sending soon.
Customer service no contest Taylor 1 : OBR UK 0

 

[horatio]

Another consideration for me would be the service .
I have ordered lots of stuff from Taylor and got it next day or day after in all cases.
Ordered a velocity stack from OBR UK on 5th December and heard NOTHING from them since , they have taken payment . messaged twice, still nothing .
Messaged OBR in USA and got a message to say they would be sending soon.
Customer service no contest Taylor 1 : OBR UK 0

I've had my own experiences with OBR UK. For starters, it's in:
OBR UK
Millview Cottage - Kildalkey Road,
Dunlever Trim - Co Meath, Ireland
Southern Ireland - so technically isn't part of the UK.

If you're ordering stuff from Southern Ireland, it's going to take longer than mainland stuff.

Secondly, the service wasn't good. It was combative and to be completely honest - objectionable.

I'd been told by others that I must have caught them on a bad day, because others had stated how he's actually 'a really nice guy'.

Thirdly, the service from OBR in USA was excellent. But shipping from the USA for over a 1kg of engine is prohibitively expensive.

I'm still looking for a billet engine for my Baja 5B - I'm still awaiting a response from OBR UK, but it's patently obvious, I'm not going to get one after all this time.

I could just buy a SCZ E290. Or a Taylor 32. I think either would be bonkers in this:

 

[Dunc2504]

Taylor 35 V2 reed engine is what I went with .
Lovely professionally developed engine

 

[horatio]

Taylor 35 V2 reed engine is what I went with .
Lovely professionally developed engine

Yeah, I'm looking at this one:


It's really nice. Yes - well over twice the price of an SCZ, but - comparitively local afrersales service might clinch the deal. £679 is a lot of coin.

But it's so shiny.....

 

[Dunc2504]

I love my SCZ , But the build quality of the Taylor is streets ahead , and you can get spares , usually next day.

 

[Dunc2504]

To be honest I would buy another 35 V2 reed to replace the SCZ in my 30 Degrees North buggy , but for the cost and mostly the hassle I went through getting it shoehorned in there in the first place.
It flies mind .

 

[horatio]

To be honest I would buy another 35 V2 reed to replace the SCZ in my 30 Degrees North buggy , but for the cost and mostly the hassle I went through getting it shoehorned in there in the first place.
It flies mind .

That's an interesting insight. My Baja 5B is quite light. I'm all for a quality engine mind and I'm confident I can manage the throttle control.

 

[tizdaz]

hi!

I have a taylor 32 reed v2 in my dibby, doesn't cut it (my dibby is pretty heavy as its mostly alloy), not enough low end, tried diff pipes/gearing etc. Hence why I'm wanting a bigbore for the 5T. But for now gonna throw in a stock 32zen which is pretty much brand new (from my dibby) with a VRC pipe to see how it goes as my 5T isn't as heavy/modded as my dibby, I've also used lighter grease in the diffs, so will see how it goes

 

[Mick Mars]

Watched a couple videos, obr 37 or whatever it was and taylor 40gt I believe. Obr motored truck looked slower than stock.Taylor motor was ripping. Both 5t 2.0 and the difference was unbelievable. I still believe a taylor is best .....

 

[HXRC]

Bartolone has a 50 coming out if anyone's interested.

I made the statement before about the OBR 35.7 being more powerful than the Taylor 35, and still think it's true. The Taylor may be of a newer and better design. It has has tons of potential power, more than the OBR. But the main difference is that Taylor is an engine manufacturer, the same as Zenoah. They not selling custom engines, while OBR is. I compare it to IMO why the hobby has gotten so big. People prefer rtr rc stuff. One reason 5ive t so popular is because it comes assembled in a box, 5ive B is a kit. Same with engines. Order an OBR 35.7 and it's basically a rtr custom ported engine. Take it out the box, and install it. Done, now go run...

(unless you can do it yourself or "know a guy")

Ah man, Bartolone finally found the 50cc! I wonder which casting he's using.

Afaik Taylor/Mike does not make complete "big bore"* engines, they modify castings just like the rest of us. They do have custom cranks and billet cases made. However, the top ends are all modified from other engines. (Typically scooters) You're correct in that most of the engines have "stock" porting.

I'm one of those guys

*Edited, cause I thought we were talking about big bores? Also, excluding the supreme cylinders. I suppose they do make complete engines now, my mistake.

 

[Dunc2504]

Ah man, Bartolone finally found the 50cc! I wonder which casting he's using.

Afaik Taylor/Mike does not make complete engines, they modify castings just like the rest of us. They do have custom cranks and billet cases made. However, the top ends are all modified from other engines. (Typically scooters) You're correct in that most of the engines have "stock" porting.

I'm one of those guys

The Taylor 35 v1 and v2 use bespoke cylinder castings developed in house by Taylor , so not like the rest of you at all.

 

[aelliott70]

The Bartalone 50cc is made with a BZM style cylinder.

I think the whole discussion about which is more powerful OBR 35.7 or Taylor 35 is a matter of opinion at this point. It makes no difference if there's a video out there of one doing better than another. Who knows how the vehicles were set up. If one is set up for drag, and the other a basher. The drag version is probably going to win a drag race. The only true test is if someone were to put both engines on a dyno and test them....and in that case I think OBR has the edge. It's like saying the stock Taylor V8 Corvette is more powerful than a OBR V6 mabilu, while at the same time refusing to acknowledge the Malibu is set up for NASCAR, fully capable of 240mph! That is what the OBR is.. If you go to OBR website, it's already ported, and you can choose if you want to run pump gas, 100 octane, 110 octane, or Methanol! That's like giving spinach to Popeye! Not to mention it's already drilled for external pulse for those big carbs. Go to the the website, make selections, hit the "buy" button and it comes in the mail shortly after. Something to be said about RTR power. With the Taylor, to realize it's potential, you have to go on a quest to find a mysterious wizard nobody knows about to get the same thing done. And if you are lucky enough to find such a wizard, we are no longer comparing Taylor to OBR, we're comparing Wizard to OBR....

 

[horatio]

The Bartalone 50cc is made with a BZM style cylinder.

I think the whole discussion about which is more powerful OBR 35.7 or Taylor 35 is a matter of opinion at this point. It makes no difference if there's a video out there of one doing better than another. Who knows how the vehicles were set up. If one is set up for drag, and the other a basher. The drag version is probably going to win a drag race. The only true test is if someone were to put both engines on a dyno and test them....and in that case I think OBR has the edge. It's like saying the stock Taylor V8 Corvette is more powerful than a OBR V6 mabilu, while at the same time refusing to acknowledge the Malibu is set up for NASCAR, fully capable of 240mph! That is what the OBR is.. If you go to OBR website, it's already ported, and you can choose if you want to run pump gas, 100 octane, 110 octane, or Methanol! That's like giving spinach to Popeye! Not to mention it's already drilled for external pulse for those big carbs. Go to the the website, make selections, hit the "buy" button and it comes in the mail shortly after. Something to be said about RTR power. With the Taylor, to realize it's potential, you have to go on a quest to find a mysterious wizard nobody knows about to get the same thing done. And if you are lucky enough to find such a wizard, we are no longer comparing Taylor to OBR, we're comparing Wizard to OBR....

My experience of dealing with OBR branch based in Southern Ireland was nothing like you described. It was arrogant, rude and unprofessional. I literally have the email trail to prove it.

My experience of dealing with OBR USA was excellent, but shipping costs were prohibitive. That said, I love the TR parts.

Taylor is more local for those in the UK, and the service is good.

For me the negative of Taylor is the high initial cost, but this is a totally different engine design with inherent advantages over Zenoah based engines.

If I bought a (very expensive!) Taylor engine, I wouldn't be looking to have it wizardised. It needs to be good.

I'd be comparing it to a 16+ year old 26cc CY Fuelie engine on 17/57 gearing.

I'll be running occasional 0-50mph times and top speed runs, when I'm not running it on bumpy grassed areas



The engine I choose needs to be willing to rev happily, for excellent 0-50 times. Maybe even 0-60mph if engine is strong enough.

My Baja is nice and light.

 

[Trung Phan]

I’m not impressed with OBR or BR ported engines. My local RC boat guy does a much better porting job. OBR and BR seem to just lazily set up the head on a 5-axis machine and charge double the price for it. Plus, my guy even mods small bearing crankshafts from Zenoah Marine for my G320, which is the same thing OBR does for their 35.7 Magnum.

 

[Dunc2504]

The Bartalone 50cc is made with a BZM style cylinder.

I think the whole discussion about which is more powerful OBR 35.7 or Taylor 35 is a matter of opinion at this point. It makes no difference if there's a video out there of one doing better than another. Who knows how the vehicles were set up. If one is set up for drag, and the other a basher. The drag version is probably going to win a drag race. The only true test is if someone were to put both engines on a dyno and test them....and in that case I think OBR has the edge. It's like saying the stock Taylor V8 Corvette is more powerful than a OBR V6 mabilu, while at the same time refusing to acknowledge the Malibu is set up for NASCAR, fully capable of 240mph! That is what the OBR is.. If you go to OBR website, it's already ported, and you can choose if you want to run pump gas, 100 octane, 110 octane, or Methanol! That's like giving spinach to Popeye! Not to mention it's already drilled for external pulse for those big carbs. Go to the the website, make selections, hit the "buy" button and it comes in the mail shortly after. Something to be said about RTR power. With the Taylor, to realize it's potential, you have to go on a quest to find a mysterious wizard nobody knows about to get the same thing done. And if you are lucky enough to find such a wizard, we are no longer comparing Taylor to OBR, we're comparing Wizard to OBR....

Just because you don't like the facts doesn't make them wrong .
You obviously have no grasp of basic physics

 

[Dunc2504]

My experience of dealing with OBR branch based in Southern Ireland was nothing like you described. It was arrogant, rude and unprofessional. I literally have the email trail to prove it.

My experience of dealing with OBR USA was excellent, but shipping costs were prohibitive. That said, I love the TR parts.

Taylor is more local for those in the UK, and the service is good.

For me the negative of Taylor is the high initial cost, but this is a totally different engine design with inherent advantages over Zenoah based engines.

If I bought a (very expensive!) Taylor engine, I wouldn't be looking to have it wizardised. It needs to be good.

I'd be comparing it to a 16+ year old 26cc CY Fuelie engine on 17/57 gearing.

I'll be running occasional 0-50mph times and top speed runs, when I'm not running it on bumpy grassed areas

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The engine I choose needs to be willing to rev happily, for excellent 0-50 times. Maybe even 0-60mph if engine is strong enough.

My Baja is nice and light.

Taylor is better out of the box, ports are optimised as standard .