Suspension on HPI's, KM's etc

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Ive been watching the vids on youtube and there seems to be alot of 5b's & 5t's that have wheels coming off or break the suspension (esp front) from relatively minor crashes or landing from smallish jumps. Is it a weak spot on these cars? Also, is it the same for the clones? I quite fancy a KM but this might put me off :blush: Any of you guys experienced this & is it a regular occurance?
 
Drive the Baja, HPI or KM like a Savage and yes, the wheels will fall off. Also the frame will bend the shocks break, the body rip off etc. The Baja simply cannot be driven the same as the ultra tough Savage trucks and others like it.

The Baja is just too heavy for nose dives very much. If you put it in the terrain it can withstand, and drive it like you were inside it, the wheels will not fall off, and it becomes pretty reliable.

The KM holds up just as well as the Baja, after you get the bugs worked out and it is adapted to what you are willing to throw at it.

Dennis
 
the Eclips pop off relatively easy. once its popped 2 or 3 times, it almost falls off when looking at them crosseyed afterwards. lol


i do the mod to remove the eclip.

the front lower ball area tends to split. easiest fix is to run RPM Front Lower arms instead of the stock lower arms. the RPM ball area is very stout and much less likely to split open on you.
 
So far on my KM 2.0 alloy ver. I've:

Broken the frame (replaced with HPI)
Bent upper brace (replaced with Turtle)
Had a Shock pull out (replaced and added Limiting cables)

I've added a front lower brace (scorpion) and a front worxs bumber...

With all the cart wheel,s upside down landings, nose dives, cement poles....
I've never had a front wheel come off....

But... in close inspection last week in my right front lower ball area the ring that holds it in place is cracked (alloy front lower arms):helpsmilie:

Now... knowing this is my weakest point right now and my front end is all alloy... anyone know of a good front lower arm in alloy I can upgrade to????

Or maybe where I can find a replacement ring for that ball area?

So far the only possible replacement would be http://www.davesmotors.com/s.nl/c.885035/n.1/it.A/id.4601/.f

These look better but a bit more $$$ http://www.davesmotors.com/s.nl/c.885035/n.1/it.A/id.5689/.f
 
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i tried the GH original version of the front arms and had one break. they have since revised and beefed up that area i understand, but cant comment if its better or not.

i have a set of the FLX EXT arms on my Hooters Baja. They have held up GREAT>

i have had to tolerance the ball areas a bit to accomodate the eclip mod ive done, but everything is still dandy.
 
been running the same standard front and rear arms on my sq baja for six months there still going stong and some heavy arse landings rolls etc,, even running the origional servos that get slated ,
 
Think the links no longer listed.

E-clip Modification to front wheel hub
Tutorial donated by: http://formulabaja.com/




Under certain running conditions, when excessive force is placed upon the front wheel, eg impacts from extreme landings, cornering etc, the e-clip will tend to ‘pop’ off, releasing the front wheel with hub intact (diagram 1 shows stock e-clip connection).

The e-clip connection is the ‘weak’ link, designed to reduce stress on other, potentially more vital or expensive parts, in the event of an impact.

Over time, being aluminium, the hub retaining lip (pic A) will eventually become damaged and worn (as a result of the steel e-clip), to the point that it may not be able to securely retain the e-clip, resulting in the wheel being released with only the slightest of knocks.

Additionally, the e-clip will tend to gradually bow (pic D & diagram 1) after successive runs / impacts, and may go undetected (particularly if any impacts are not sufficient enough to cause the wheel to be released). This can then also result in wheel loss after a light knock. It is therefore important that the e-clips are regularly checked and replaced as necessary as part of a general maintenance routine. Good quality spring steel e-clips will improve the situation.

With the understanding of the reasons behind such a connection, an informed decision can be made whether or not to modify the connection, and the potential risks associated.

For various reasons, other than those mentioned above, the stock e-clip connection may not be desirable – for example – the need for reassurance that the wheel will stay on under race conditions, to prevent damage to front brake callipers & rotors or billet hub carriers that would have otherwise occurred on wheel loss etc. – or for the simple reason not to forever have to chase wheels and replace e-clips or lost wheel bearings.

The following are just two of the numerous options of this simple modification that can be carried out to prevent wheel loss.

NB It is understood that by carrying out these mods, and under specific driving conditions, stress will almost certainly be transferred to other parts and connections, and may potentially result in their failure.


Option1 (pic 2, above) – shows an M5 thread tapped into the existing hub hole, following the removal of the projecting retaining lip (pic A, below)



The above pictures can be used to illustrate both options 1 & 2.

It is important to first check the clearance available between retaining lip and the edge of the ball joint. This dim will vary, and will be instrumental in choosing how to proceed and what fixings will be most suitable.

In this example the final projection from the face of the inner bearing, including washer, plus screw head (countersunk, button head or otherwise), could not exceed the original retaining lip projection.

Whatever option and fixing method is chosen, it is recommended to check for free movement while using the radio to turn steering at full lock, left and right, simultaneously moving the suspension through its full motion. Aftermarket (billet) front arms* will have different tolerances to those of the stock plastic arms. Some grinding to the ball joint or further modification to the screw / washer assembly may be required.

The use of circlips / washers can provide a good midway solution, providing a stronger hub connection, but with ‘release’ in extreme conditions (see further reading).

(*If an alloy aftermarket arm is used, It is worth researching that that particular arm has sufficient clearance for full operational movement prior to any e-clip modification)
 
Bleedin hell the Photos haven't worked on the last.

Check out the link, the Thread is in the Tutorials under Front wheel hub E-clip modification.
 
Good post mate. I'm still not sure whether to do the mod or not. Ive only had my wheel pop off once , on A VERY HEAVY awkward landing, and it took me two minutes to fix with a new E clip. I wonder what may of broken if I had of done the screw mod?? Maybe the arm ??or something more serious ??. I don't know. But I kind of see the E clip as a cheap safety net to protect the rest of the front suspension. So.... for now I'm sticking with E clips !!:clown:
 
Have the screw mod on mine, and its worked a treat...... NO!!! more wheels poping off :clown:

Pete get your self some RPM arms and do the screw mod??
 
Good post mate. I'm still not sure whether to do the mod or not. Ive only had my wheel pop off once , on A VERY HEAVY awkward landing, and it took me two minutes to fix with a new E clip. I wonder what may of broken if I had of done the screw mod?? Maybe the arm ??or something more serious ??. I don't know. But I kind of see the E clip as a cheap safety net to protect the rest of the front suspension. So.... for now I'm sticking with E clips !!:clown:

That makes sense.
 
i didnt do it until i was needing to buy my 3rd set of front hubs from popped eclips. even at ebay cheap prices i spend 60.00 on 3 set of front hubs and atleast 5.00 in eclips bought from a local supplier that were like .35 cents apeace
 
The e-clip mod is a must on all of the Baja's. Timmahh is
right that a crosseyed look can make them pop off. That should
be something that HPI could fix themselves.
 
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