Ninth Island RC
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First, and foremost, anyone with the gas version need not reply...this is related only to the electric version. That being said, Kraken says that the problem related to "exploding" idler gears has only been seen in the gas version, and not the electric version. So, why am I posting this thread, and asking the questions I'm about to ask? Read on..........
As many reading this will know (and, as at least some will have personally experienced), there has been, since the release of the VESLA.5, a 'problem' related to the idler gear...specifically, that it seems to "explode" (my choice of word) under to much power. In regards to the gas version (especially when replacing the stock engine with a larger cc engine), this has been confirmed by Kraken RC. At the same time, Kraken has stated that, in regards to the electric version, it has (supposedly) only affected those running the stock trans housing and/or stock trans gears. However, according to two posts in the Facebook group (interestingly, the two posts I reference have since "disappeared"), it seems that two people had their idler gears "explode". If I remember correctly, one was running the billet trans housing with stock trans gears, while the other was running the stock trans housing with hardened steel gears. I tried finding their posts, so as to confirm what, exactly, the we're running...but, as I just mentioned, both posts are no longer to be found.
When the electric version was initially released, it was designed to ruin on 8S, and came with an 1100kv motor. As far as I am aware, with this configuration, there were no "exploding idler gear" problems. When Hobbywing released the Max5 G2, Kraken 'upgraded' the electric version to run on 12S, and initially gave purchasers the option of choosing between an 1100kv or 800kv motor. Honestly, running 1100kv on 12S would be completely insane, and something I would only expect Kevin Talbot to do...lol...but, I could see 12S powering an 800kv (personally, my plan is to run an 800kv on 8S).
Yesterday, I checked the website, and discovered that Kraken is no longer offering the 1100kv option. Not only that, but they are also no longer offering the electric version with even an 800kv motor. Instead, they have lowered the motor to 650kv. This leads me to wonder, if there was supposedly no "exploding" idler gear problem with the electric version, then why would they feel the need to eliminate, both, the 1100kv & 800kv options, and replace them with an even slower 650kv motor? We all know they are about to release an optional redesigned billet transmission housing, which is for the gas AND electric versions, and will contain redesigned gears (especially a larger idler) with more 'metal' between the teeth & bearings. But, if there was (supposedly) no 'problem' with the housing & gears on the electric version, then why is there a need to indicate that the new housing & gears is also for the electric version? If there's truly "no problems" with the idler on electric, why not just indicate the new billet trans housing & hardened gears is for 'gas', and just leave it at that (obviously, they could still be used in the electric, but there would be no need to "focus" on the electric use on the website, right?).
I am interested in people's opinions on, and answers to, the above questions. I mean, if there was (supposedly) no gear 'problems' with the electric version, the why was there a need to discreetly make these changes (especially dropping to the 650kv motor)?
Additionally, I'm sure I'm not the only one interested in hearing from anyone who has actually had idler (or any transmission gear) problems in their electric VESLA.5. If you have had such problems, please, include whether you were running the stock or billet transmission housing, whether you were running the stock or hardened steel trans gears, whether you were running the 1100kv, 800kv, or 650kv motor, whether you were running 12S or 8S...and, most importantly, what you did to "fix" the problem. This isn't meant to "call out" Kraken on any problems...it's purely meant to help others see what problems they might run into, under what conditions the problems can occur, and what they might be able to do to fix/eliminate the problems (hopefully, before such problems occur).
As many reading this will know (and, as at least some will have personally experienced), there has been, since the release of the VESLA.5, a 'problem' related to the idler gear...specifically, that it seems to "explode" (my choice of word) under to much power. In regards to the gas version (especially when replacing the stock engine with a larger cc engine), this has been confirmed by Kraken RC. At the same time, Kraken has stated that, in regards to the electric version, it has (supposedly) only affected those running the stock trans housing and/or stock trans gears. However, according to two posts in the Facebook group (interestingly, the two posts I reference have since "disappeared"), it seems that two people had their idler gears "explode". If I remember correctly, one was running the billet trans housing with stock trans gears, while the other was running the stock trans housing with hardened steel gears. I tried finding their posts, so as to confirm what, exactly, the we're running...but, as I just mentioned, both posts are no longer to be found.
When the electric version was initially released, it was designed to ruin on 8S, and came with an 1100kv motor. As far as I am aware, with this configuration, there were no "exploding idler gear" problems. When Hobbywing released the Max5 G2, Kraken 'upgraded' the electric version to run on 12S, and initially gave purchasers the option of choosing between an 1100kv or 800kv motor. Honestly, running 1100kv on 12S would be completely insane, and something I would only expect Kevin Talbot to do...lol...but, I could see 12S powering an 800kv (personally, my plan is to run an 800kv on 8S).
Yesterday, I checked the website, and discovered that Kraken is no longer offering the 1100kv option. Not only that, but they are also no longer offering the electric version with even an 800kv motor. Instead, they have lowered the motor to 650kv. This leads me to wonder, if there was supposedly no "exploding" idler gear problem with the electric version, then why would they feel the need to eliminate, both, the 1100kv & 800kv options, and replace them with an even slower 650kv motor? We all know they are about to release an optional redesigned billet transmission housing, which is for the gas AND electric versions, and will contain redesigned gears (especially a larger idler) with more 'metal' between the teeth & bearings. But, if there was (supposedly) no 'problem' with the housing & gears on the electric version, then why is there a need to indicate that the new housing & gears is also for the electric version? If there's truly "no problems" with the idler on electric, why not just indicate the new billet trans housing & hardened gears is for 'gas', and just leave it at that (obviously, they could still be used in the electric, but there would be no need to "focus" on the electric use on the website, right?).
I am interested in people's opinions on, and answers to, the above questions. I mean, if there was (supposedly) no gear 'problems' with the electric version, the why was there a need to discreetly make these changes (especially dropping to the 650kv motor)?
Additionally, I'm sure I'm not the only one interested in hearing from anyone who has actually had idler (or any transmission gear) problems in their electric VESLA.5. If you have had such problems, please, include whether you were running the stock or billet transmission housing, whether you were running the stock or hardened steel trans gears, whether you were running the 1100kv, 800kv, or 650kv motor, whether you were running 12S or 8S...and, most importantly, what you did to "fix" the problem. This isn't meant to "call out" Kraken on any problems...it's purely meant to help others see what problems they might run into, under what conditions the problems can occur, and what they might be able to do to fix/eliminate the problems (hopefully, before such problems occur).