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did you read the desription

I wouldnt call it a clone it has more aftermarket parts and hpi parts on it then it does km. you obvioulsly are new at 1/5 scale.

and if your so hung up the clone stigma why are you in the km forum

I would bet money if the km part was left out of the add you wouldnt be able to tell the deiffernce.

thats a 2000+ car if you tried to get it all HPI.. so what it has km chassis and hub carriers.


if you bought an ss you wouls still have a weak car. and eventually put most if not all of those upgrades on it. its a better car that what you get for 1600.00 on an hpi. 1600.00 for an HPI brand new and you wouldnt half the upgrades that has

and if you buy a km youll end up the same result upgrades.

why pay more? for the same thing.

that car is probably the most durable car your going to find for sale if you know what your looking at.

Zenoah G290 (28.5) 4 bolt motor
walbaro 990 carb
zenoah cluch housing
Zenoah clutch w/8000 rpm spring
Proline desparado wheels front and rear
proline badlands rear tires
HPI front dirt buster ribs
HPI roll cage
HPI center roll bar
HPI billit clutch carrier
HPI shock towers
HPI wing
HPI SS Aluminumcase all meatal gear Differential
FLM Hardened Drive and diferential cups
FLM 9mm dogbone with replacable pins
RPM fronr upper and lower a arm
RPM rear upper and lower a arms
Turtle Racing HD top plate (front)
Turtle Racing HD tranny plate
turtle Racing v2 Rear shock tower mount v2
Turtle Racing Front shock mounnt/combo mount
KM 1 in. axle entenders
KM Tuned Pipe
KM Chassis

KM wheel carriers Front and rear
KM Bulkheads Front and rear
KM Fuel tank and battery box
KM VVC shocks with HD 6mm shafts
 
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If you read the add the price is negotiable. and some people will miss out on good deals and cars because of brand names.
which is really confusing on this car beacause all the major parts are REAL name brands and have been battle tested and proven over the last 5 years or so to say its not woth it cause it has a few of KM's good parts on it is ignorant to say the least

just read tru the threads and see what people are replacing on there km and HPI. motors, arms clutch carriers top platers shock towers..etc. whay go thrugh all that trouble and by the time your done upgrading you half your original parts are worn out, and you spent all kinds of time and money. I think you get the point why go tru the trouble. why not buy one built with all the desirable uppgrades on it all ready and go race.

I personaly run one just like this and have only minor issue with it like worn out bearing and tire replacment. run it clean it repeat.
 
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All this clone wars stuff makes me laugh. There are no original cars out there with new ideas.

Take an HPI Baja for e.g - add a different set of wheels or the white plastic wishbones you can get or a big pipe then it's non original so that must be a clone/copy/hybrid - how ever you dress it.

Most of the competition RC car companies like FG, Contrast, HARM or Hormann to name a few, they all look at other makes, they all make similar parts - the all do R&D, most of which comes from competition and that is passed down the line (in the case of FG) to the sportsline models.
 
I completely agree with you.

you r going to replace half the stuff anyway. and if you don't you know you want to

thats what the buggy in the add is it is a bunch of parts from diff manufactures put together to make one whole durable buggy thru r and d

Mike1970 said:
All this clone wars stuff makes me laugh. There are no original cars out there with new ideas.

Take an HPI Baja for e.g - add a different set of wheels or the white plastic wishbones you can get or a big pipe then it's non original so that must be a clone/copy/hybrid - how ever you dress it.

Most of the competition RC car companies like FG, Contrast, HARM or Hormann to name a few, they all look at other makes, they all make similar parts - the all do R&D, most of which comes from competition and that is passed down the line (in the case of FG) to the sportsline models.
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Mike1970 said:
All this clone wars stuff makes me laugh. There are no original cars out there with new ideas.

Take an HPI Baja for e.g - add a different set of wheels or the white plastic wishbones you can get or a big pipe then it's non original so that must be a clone/copy/hybrid - how ever you dress it.

Most of the competition RC car companies like FG, Contrast, HARM or Hormann to name a few, they all look at other makes, they all make similar parts - the all do R&D, most of which comes from competition and that is passed down the line (in the case of FG) to the sportsline models.
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my buggy started life as a clone its now a mix of all 3 brands sq, km and hpi people bang on about steeling designs off hpi and to be honest know one knows for sure who really designed the baja 1st. hpi do no one any favours anyway there buggys are overpriced as for backup you get to call a 0845 number that costs a fortune to call.
 
Lets just say i buy a nissan 200sx and i get new alloy's, springs, interior parts, intake
gauges, new engine, turbo, intercooler, brakes, wing, exhaust system ect ect

So my nissan is now a clone ?????
 
of course not
but if you built it from scratch with parts from various manufactures would it be a nissan?
no.


we could go on all day about this.
the car in the link is hybrid of parts put together to make a new never ran durabile reliable car with some parts left relitivly stock to change for user prefrences I.E. the pipe. the pipe on it not is not what I would choose but pipes are dependent to what you want to do with the car, also the rear hubs. some people like 0deg some 4deg.
 
i wouldnt say its worth 1600usd, look on the uk ebay you'll find a nice done up hpi baja 5b for around £450 witch is half that price.
 
IMO it would still be a Nissan 200SX.

Now if you take say an old VW Bug, bought a Porsche 356 fiberglass body kit and installed it. Placed all new replica Porsche trim. IMO it is still a poser's/wannabe VW w/Porsche replica body. Same goes with all the other replica body kits; VW/Gazelle, Pontiac Fiero/Ferrari Testarossa, etc... IMO it is still the POS it started life to be, just a fancier version of it.
 
is that new or used and what is shipping to the U.S... not tryind to be smart a$$ I really don't know. i don't see how you can possibly buy a TRU all the way HPI with those mods foe 800.. all new parts not possible... unless they robbed a MMR truck. lol

also the price is neg.


BIGTOYZ said:
i wouldnt say its worth 1600usd, look on the uk ebay you'll find a nice done up hpi baja 5b for around £450 witch is half that price.
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jamesfouquet said:
is that new or used and what is shipping to the U.S... not tryind to be smart a$$ I really don't know. i don't see how you can possibly buy a TRU all the way HPI with those mods foe 800.. all new parts not possible... unless they robbed a MMR truck. lol

also the price is neg.
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most likely going to be used mate, new has considerably more value obviously, but put it this way ive see used bajas on ebay with better quality upgrades go for less then 1600usb.

check uk ebay and if you see something you like email the seller and ask them if they will post, some do!
 
no doubt you can find somones old junk for less than 1600. but its used. this is NEW. I don't buy used unless i can put my hands on it before i buy.

with used you get just that. loose ball joints, who knows about the motor or how many poles its hit. etc....

also better quality upgrades? really?

Maybee a few more upgrades but lets be honest and admit there are alot of "upgrades that just at weight or look cool and do not help durability or perfornace out there those I can do without.

RPM arms are the best out there.
zenoah is the best out there.
the g 290 stock is a good strong motor. if you want you can make it a 29.5 a 30.5 or the stock 28.5 very versitle and log lasting.
turtle is the best out there,
there is a debate on the dog bones and cups but flm makes quality bones and cups.

sure there are more things you could upgrade, but you will pay for them t

I know 1600.00 is alot for most people to drop on a rc.. still price is negotiable
but for all new with upgrades like it has its a good deal

I would have bought this in a second for my first one if someone offerd it
I had almost that much in my first SS with hardly any upgrades......

This is not my first rodeo and if you want a durable lightwieght buggy it costs.

BIGTOYZ said:
most likely going to be used mate, new has considerably more value obviously, but put it this way ive see used bajas on ebay with better quality upgrades go for less then 1600usb.

check uk ebay and if you see something you like email the seller and ask them if they will post, some do!
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jamesfouquet said:
no doubt you can find somones old junk for less than 1600. but its used. this is NEW. I don't buy used unless i can put my hands on it before i buy.

with used you get just that. loose ball joints, who knows about the motor or how many poles its hit. etc....

also better quality upgrades? really?

Maybee a few more upgrades but lets be honest and admit there are alot of "upgrades that just at weight or look cool and do not help durability or perfornace out there those I can do without.

RPM arms are the best out there.
zenoah is the best out there.
the g 290 stock is a good strong motor. if you want you can make it a 29.5 a 30.5 or the stock 28.5 very versitle and log lasting.
turtle is the best out there,
there is a debate on the dog bones and cups but flm makes quality bones and cups.

sure there are more things you could upgrade, but you will pay for them t

I know 1600.00 is alot for most people to drop on a rc.. still price is negotiable
but for all new with upgrades like it has its a good deal

I would have bought this in a second for my first one if someone offerd it
I had almost that much in my first SS with hardly any upgrades......

This is not my first rodeo and if you want a durable lightwieght buggy it costs.
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buying used is the best way know plus its alot more money for value, it depends on you! if you buy a used up junk, but if you check it out before buying youll be surprised with the great deals you can get buying used. honestly i wouldn't buy new know that ive brought a good used ive had alot off 1/5th scaled in the passed and ive saved on 100s you really do notice saving on the money in this hobby. quick tip when your buying used, i wouldn't get it posted go down check it out see if its as listed and youll be better off if its not pull out.
you may think that clone is worth 1600usd but i think not ive been in the rc business for a good 6 years and ive seen alot better cars for that money, used and new but then again its always up to the buyer i suppose!, what ever floats his boat right?
 
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i still don't see it as a clone and your right you can get good deals on used if you can physicly go look at it.. but it is still used up evey part has less life left in it compared to new.

i don't see how you can get a better new one for less and i have been in this buis for about 5.
i gues its all in the perception of what is good..you obviously think the thees parts are somhow not good parts when in fact they ARE.

t1500 1600 bucks is a good deaL for brand new

I bet if put hpi 5b and took out the km stuff in add it would be sold by now...but i am not like that. people should know what they are buying and its not a clone. it is a bunch of different parts from differint manufactures.
 
jamesfouquet said:
Just out of curiosity what do you think its worth
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:oWho cares what he thinks its worth he doesn't know the difference in the parts.
I just read a post in the HPI forum about how he picked up this SS for cheap and was asking about the RPM arms it had on it. Turns out he bought a KM. I could tell by pic that they were KM arms. So don't listen to this fool he doesn't even know what half that stuff is on your buggy, or what it's worth..And to say there are better ones out there new for less with better parts, this fool doesn't even know what good parts look like...:o




YEAH I SAID IT:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
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