Super Alu Hop ups: Elcon Models

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FG Alloy parts are far superior to Elcon. FG do add improvements to their alloy parts that Elcon do not.

A couple of examples are Elcon has no camber adjustments on their front alloy bulkheads for the Monster and Stadium models whereas FG do. Elcon rear upper lengthening set is non adjustable as opposed to FG's fully adjustable ones. Also FG parts have a much better finish and look to them than the Elcon parts.

It is unlikely that the FG turnbuckles that are used to adjust toe in would have broken as easily as that Elcon part did in that video.
 
First post eh, welcome to the forum. FG alloy parts superior to Elcon, I don't think so. I heard the FG stuff is cast not billet like Elcon, anyway I'd rather go with the CHEAPER Elcon gear:clown:
 
Well I thought I would show a video of a standard FG monster beetle going over the same jump over and over again. http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=SU5SwI1v-l8

Don't take my word for it as I have first hand experience but check out the vid.

I would like to see a photo of a broken Genuine FG alloy part... better yet, how about a video.

IMO Elcon sell alot of parts because they are cheap, it's like anything, you get what you pay for.
 
Here we go again ... mine is better than yours bla bla bla bla :clown::clown:

Just buy what you can afford ... I can't afford FG alloy so I bought full elcon :clown::clown:

Anyway, with my first rear arm which broke, those arms are very weak on the join and it's not suitable for jumping...
Few weeks ago, I did few very long and high jump in BassHill and DIDN"T break any of my elcon parts but instead I broke those stupid FG shocks ... both of them.

If you want to compare the strength of alloy parts you also have to compare the height and length of the jumps and also .. the weight of the car!! :clown:
I think Monaroman on the video did very nice clean jumps but if you look at my jumps they were like from side to side and all over the place so no wonder the rear arms broke ... it's the tires... not the driver :clown:

By the way, I am looking forward to a video of the full FG alloy on stadium tires not on monster tires (which is softer), jumping like my car or higher:clown: ... and try it going clock wise at BassHill track:clown::clown::clown:

Actually I have been curious about how strong the aftermarket alloys are and thats the reason I jumped my stadium truck soon after I upgraded to all alloy just to find out how strong they are.
So, once you finished with your alloy upgrade how about if we go side by side ,your full FG alloy car and my full elcon car and jump together .. that would be fun:clown: maybe something like a high jump and a long jump competition :clown::clown::clown: I know Monaroman would love to video that:clown:
 
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Ok I'll put in my $0.02 cents. I've been in largescale for several years. Used FG Alloy and Elcon. FG may have changed their maufacturing but I still think they use a lower aluminum grade. If you have a MT or MB, aluminum will break or bend. Some people are plain lucky. The Elcon finish and quality is far more superior than FG's. These guys are true machinists. Just look at there new Cleon buggy.

I found some FG parts being overpriced. It was less expensive for me to buy Elcon parts than FG. Plus FG parts are just a 30 minute drive for me to get. I also had a choice of getting blue or red anodized through Krikke Racing.

In the end it's choice, some like this some like that. Those of us who have tried both know and would like to pass on the info since we have already spent the $$$$ to get our own answers.

Do the research and good luck in your choices!
Joe
 
SELWA said:
.... Those of us who have tried both know and would like to pass on the info since we have already spent the $$$$ to get our own answers.

Do the research and good luck in your choices!
Joe
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Thanks it's good to hear the reviews from someone who has tried BOTH brands.
 
Don't get me wrong Cougar, I think your truck is one of the nicest trucks I have seen (in real life & the net) but, I didn't agree with mikes comments about the Elcon rear arms being strong and adjustable.

I have not suggested mines bigger than yours or your is better that mine etc, I didn't agree with post #18 as it is not true.

I do agree that Elcon have re-designed the parts and FG have not however the FG alloy parts are a direct replacement for the FG cars, Elcon have re-designed little slight things to ensure they are not compatable with genuine Fg parts.

Example:
You have to run Elcon lower arms with that gear train.. Fg ones don't fit..
With the gear train you need to order 1 right hand side diff block and one left hand cap as it doesn't come in the kit.
Various bearings and even the layshaft gear is a different size.

The above really annoyed me as by re-designing the parts slightly you are making sure the customers have to buy more parts off you as the surrounding components no longer fit.

That just my oppinion.
 
allanach said:
Don't get me wrong Cougar, I think your truck is one of the nicest trucks I have seen (in real life & the net) but, I didn't agree with mikes comments about the Elcon rear arms being strong and adjustable.

I have not suggested mines bigger than yours or your is better that mine etc, I didn't agree with post #18 as it is not true.

I do agree that Elcon have re-designed the parts and FG have not however the FG alloy parts are a direct replacement for the FG cars, Elcon have re-designed little slight things to ensure they are not compatable with genuine Fg parts.

Example:
You have to run Elcon lower arms with that gear train.. Fg ones don't fit..
With the gear train you need to order 1 right hand side diff block and one left hand cap as it doesn't come in the kit.
Various bearings and even the layshaft gear is a different size.

The above really annoyed me as by re-designing the parts slightly you are making sure the customers have to buy more parts off you as the surrounding components no longer fit.

That just my oppinion.
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It's all cool with me Dave ... and I don't get you wrong :no: and I know what you're saying ... aaaanyhow looking forward to the video of your fully blinged NOS Truck :2guns: jumping :clown:
 
allanach said:
Next time I am out that way I'll be sure to do that... who knows we may even get to race each other:2guns:
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No your engine is too fast for mine :clown:

But I'd love to do a long jump or a high jump contest ... that would be awesome ... beside we don't have to worry about breaking the alloys as they are strong :clown:
 
Hello All.
I have a FG mt, with a little and a lot of both FG and elcon. A little FG and alot Elcon. I can agree to you all in different ways. FG original parts. TOOO expensive. Elcon engineering and design are lovely. I know a little about engineering, and Elcon are well designed and of quite high grade alloy. As through the way I trash my car. The adjustable Rear arms. Not for MT's. They are more for racing dirt, grass, road etc. Not for jumping with such a heavy vehicle. I know, mine have just been replaced with one piece. I do wish that FG would come to the party with spares and alloy. Overpriced if you compare them to other manufacturers and also other 1/5, 1/6 scale cars. But it does come down to your own personel opinion. Mine is not such much a cost as such. Just value for money and engineering. I think for the amount of time FG RC has been around. Engineering? ok.
So much more they can do. They are just too big. Leave the hop ups now to the after market boys. The one's that want to make parts that people " just have to have ". I m a bling boy. And the speed is second. But strength is also important to me. Elcon just love it.
"EACH TO THEIR OWN "
 
keep in mind with FG being all done in Germany, the cost is high. Germany has some High costs for CNC work, even when compared to here in the states. either that or they are money hungry and don't care if they sell alot or a few.

is all good either way.
T
 
Hey Jono..... (Rokman) good to see you on the forum, have not seen you for a while.

I agree with a lot of the things you wrote as most of it was your opinion & I value that however, I was responding to post #18 as it suggests those adjustable arms are strong and superior in design. This is not the case and I have provided video evidence thus proving that theroy to be incorrect.

I can't say much about the "strength" of the other Elcon parts as I don't own any apart from the the single speed spur gear holder & the spur gear its self which seem to be holding up well (mind you I don't use them because I am runing a two speed).

At the end of the day some people rubbished FG parts and suggested Elcon are superior and that is misleading..... everything I have written has been backed up with video evidence.

I think there are a lot of ways to promote your product. putting your opposition down is probably not the best option.... especially when you get caught out.

EACH TO THEIR OWN.:2guns:
 
allanach said:
Hey Jono..... (Rokman) good to see you on the forum, have not seen you for a while.

I agree with a lot of the things you wrote as most of it was your opinion & I value that however, I was responding to post #18 as it suggests those adjustable arms are strong and superior in design. This is not the case and I have provided video evidence thus proving that theroy to be incorrect.

I can't say much about the "strength" of the other Elcon parts as I don't own any apart from the the single speed spur gear holder & the spur gear its self which seem to be holding up well (mind you I don't use them because I am runing a two speed).

At the end of the day some people rubbished FG parts and suggested Elcon are superior and that is misleading..... everything I have written has been backed up with video evidence.

I think there are a lot of ways to promote your product. putting your opposition down is probably not the best option.... especially when you get caught out.

EACH TO THEIR OWN.:2guns:
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allanach said:
Don't get me wrong Cougar, I think your truck is one of the nicest trucks I have seen (in real life & the net) but, I didn't agree with mikes comments about the Elcon rear arms being strong and adjustable.

I have not suggested mines bigger than yours or your is better that mine etc, I didn't agree with post #18 as it is not true.

I do agree that Elcon have re-designed the parts and FG have not however the FG alloy parts are a direct replacement for the FG cars, Elcon have re-designed little slight things to ensure they are not compatable with genuine Fg parts.

Example:
You have to run Elcon lower arms with that gear train.. Fg ones don't fit..
With the gear train you need to order 1 right hand side diff block and one left hand cap as it doesn't come in the kit.
Various bearings and even the layshaft gear is a different size.

The above really annoyed me as by re-designing the parts slightly you are making sure the customers have to buy more parts off you as the surrounding components no longer fit.

That just my oppinion.
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You keep infering that Elcon deliberately changed the design slightly just so people had to buy more parts, that is incorrect. They redesigned parts to improve them. The drivetrain conversion is just that, a complete drivetrain conversion. It is not an FG drivetrain with 'slight adjustments'. It involves a lot of parts. They chose to put the separate parts in separate bags so you can buy them individually and I do agree they should make a full kit available, but then again some may have already upgraded some parts, such as Elcon rear diff mounts so don't want to pay for those again if they go for a drivetrain.

Just my opinion of course:)
 
:jerry:

Hi there Roko, welcome to the Jerry Springer Show - how does it feel to be the surprise guest coming from out the back? :lol: Also rok the aussie flag looks like this (<--- look under the words trader feedback to the left)

Geez guys we all have opinions on this subject, personally I reckon my basically all plastic FG Monster with a Beetle body, buggy wheels and some stadium gearing flies better than all your bling thru the air - and it does it week after week and just begs for more - clockwise or anticlockwise it loves it at Bass Hill or any other jump you can find for it and it is just begging to participate in a jump off with you all! :2guns:

This debate is really all about my parts vs your parts... who cares unless you actually manufactered these parts with your bare hands - its not like any of you blokes are sponsored by FG or Elcon so its just personal liking and defending where and why you spent your money.

I will say this though - the only bloke i have ever seen seriously jump a full alloy buggy is cougar, both with and without the adjustable rear arms so I respect the balls (or deep pockets) that it takes to put it to the test, all others need to put their alloy where their mouth is and get some airtime :lol:

Lets go jumping boys.... :ph34r:
 
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Well said Monaroman. But Couger is a nut. Nut with the love of the hobby. I must say, as I mentioned in my last thread, the two piece Rear arms? Not for jumping. Bent mine. After some serious carpark king stunts. But the One piece is now on. Hope it withstands the jumps. It may be all Bling. But will soon go Bada Bing. Cant say that one is better than the other. Elcon definetly value parts. Hope to have a few Big Day Outs Soon. Love my two machines. Both the Fg and Baja. And I must throw in that FG parts should not be rubbished. They are well made. Just too f#$n expensive.
Happy Bashing Boys. And Allanach.... Waiting to see some radar checks on your Nitrous. Quite curious on the power difference achieved.
 
And Monaroman.don't know what the go is with the flag really. Must have been when I signed up or something. Just noticed it after you mentioned it.
 
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