Taylor 35 Reed (DBXL 2.0 issue)

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Hi guys

Some of you prob know about an issue i had with my Taylor V2 Reed, and to be fair Mike @ Taylor has sorted it out quickly so fair play to him.

However, when i stripped down my Dibby i decided to give a once over, and to my horror the issue i had a few months back which some of you might remember, Thread here: https://www.largescaleforums.com/threads/dbxl-2-0-taylor-35-reed-v2-issue.29956/# is happening again.

On the original issue, i was back & forth via emails with Mike from Taylor, in the end we came to an agreement that we met half way in terms of the cost for the damaged parts, but in reality i ended up much more out of pocket, but i was just glad to get it sorted..or so i thought,

At the time he still didnt agree with me what caused the issue, Originally i said that the Cup from the center shaft bracket was touching the Engine Flywheel Case as it was too close, in turn this caused the cup to heat up due to the friction which then made the studlock i used on the pin to break so then the pin came out & destroyed parts of the engine casing/drive train *as you will see in the link above to that thread).

So at the time he suggested to use some silicon tubing to cover the pin to stop it working loose, i explained i cant, because there is no gap as it is between the cup/casing! so he then mentioned changing the gearing to allow the engine to move slightly away giving more clearance gap, i wasnt too keen on this idea as at present my dibby was running great with the current gearing & having to make moda like this just to get it to work correctly is not what i was expecting as prior to buying the engine i did ask him will this drop straight in without issues, which he said it would (i also had to modify the engine mount which was not mentioned!!), but anyway i changed gearing, but still not enough room to fit silicon tubing on the cup. Anyway few months on (I've used my dibby literally around 3 times as been buzy with other things) ive now noticed the SAME issue happening again, see pics. This time pics are more clear as you can clearly see where its been rubbing again & where the pin has started to catch the casing!! The pin has not moved from the shaft as i checked, but it has been rubbing the casing so it would only be a matter of time until a repeat of what happened before in terms of damage. Luckily I've caught the issue early before the pin come loose wrecking the parts all over again!!

A simple fix (and i mentioned this to mike last time) is to shave away the casing in that small area where the cup is to allow clearance!.. that's it!) and this is what I've just done using a Dremel, But it could & should be done properly during manufacturing of the casing for the dbxl 2.0 allowing decent clearance. I sent Mike an email yesterday but no reply as yet, so will see what he says. I just wish that he would take on board what i said last time, a simple mod of the casing for DBXL 2.0 owners using the V2 reed would eliminate this issue!! :(

In this pic you can see where the cup has been rubbing the casing by the chrome ring..
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This pic you can see where the pin has been hitting the case causing damage to the pin and cup
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This pic is where the pin/cup has made contact with casing
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These pics show how close the cup is to the casing..
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And these last pics show the simple fix where i have dremeled away to allow more clearance.. Which I should not have to do! if i was told before i purchased engine about this then fair enough, but like i say, i was told the engine would just drop right in.. which it clearly did not as seen here & i also had to modify the engine mount which i told mike about and he acknowledged that the mount was an issue and he was waiting for a new batch of mounts to arrive specifically for the DBXL 2.0/Reed v2.
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I will just give my 2 cents here and understand what you are saying , However The term as you say will drop right in is sort of a grey area.
Coming from the aftermarket automobile side of things for 40+ years , bolt on or bolt in is a very loose term.

Often things we work on a " bolt in" a part is fine. Lets say a fancy set of headers where that wrap around the steering shaft for instance. Looks good and have clearance............right.
Now what about when the rest of the car is under full load when leaving the starting line and obviously is going to have some chassis flex? Well it isn't happy. Now that tube is binding on the steering shaft.

Just one of those things that happens , it doesn't matter full size car or toy car , things are generally the same. Just one of those things that bites you in the azz. Use it as a learning experience and keep on going.

Thanks for posting , we all can learn from this.
 
I will just give my 2 cents here and understand what you are saying , However The term as you say will drop right in is sort of a grey area.
Coming from the aftermarket automobile side of things for 40+ years , bolt on or bolt in is a very loose term.

Often things we work on a " bolt in" a part is fine. Lets say a fancy set of headers where that wrap around the steering shaft for instance. Looks good and have clearance............right.
Now what about when the rest of the car is under full load when leaving the starting line and obviously is going to have some chassis flex? Well it isn't happy. Now that tube is binding on the steering shaft.

Just one of those things that happens , it doesn't matter full size car or toy car , things are generally the same. Just one of those things that bites you in the azz. Use it as a learning experience and keep on going.

Thanks for posting , we all can learn from this.
yeh i hear what ya saying buddy, but on the flip side if this reed v2 was properly tested with a dbxl 2.0 they would have realised there was issues with the mount & the casing, instead they probably tested it on the 5T etc and then just assumed it fit the dbxl 2.0 with no issues, especially the mount as there was no way the engine would fit unless the mount was modded but they didn't mention this so they must not of tested it, I specifically asked prior to purchase would I need to do anything or would i need any other part to fit the engine to my dibby 2.0, and like I say the reply was nope it would just drop right in! To be honest though what annoys me more than anything, is they still prob think that there is no issue with the fitment when there 100% is so in future others will have the same issue unless they decide to sort the case so it does fit the dbxl 2.0 without issues.

In theory i was the guinea pig that cost me out my own pocket :( ..but like ya say, lesson learnt!
 
yeh i hear what ya saying buddy, but on the flip side if this reed v2 was properly tested with a dbxl 2.0 they would have realised there was issues with the mount & the casing, instead they probably tested it on the 5T etc and then just assumed it fit the dbxl 2.0 with no issues, especially the mount as there was no way the engine would fit unless the mount was modded but they didn't mention this so they must not of tested it, I specifically asked prior to purchase would I need to do anything or would i need any other part to fit the engine to my dibby 2.0, and like I say the reply was nope it would just drop right in! To be honest though what annoys me more than anything, is they still prob think that there is no issue with the fitment when there 100% is so in future others will have the same issue unless they decide to sort the case so it does fit the dbxl 2.0 without issues.

In theory i was the guinea pig that cost me out my own pocket :( ..but like ya say, lesson learnt!
Like they say , sometimes you learn the hard way.
I did look at your other posting where the pin machined a slot in it and it looked wicked close as far as clearance goes , Sure it sucks but all part of the game we play.
 
Could you not move the support a few mill away by recutting the mounting holes in the chassis?
I slotted the chassis holes in my 30DNB to move the support slightly and drilled a pin into it to stop in moving in the slots.
Extra work , but it does cure the clearance issue , there is going to be flex between drive train and engine bolted to a plate chassis.
I agree , they should have checked this.
 
Could you not move the support a few mill away by recutting the mounting holes in the chassis?
I slotted the chassis holes in my 30DNB to move the support slightly and drilled a pin into it to stop in moving in the slots.
Extra work , but it does cure the clearance issue , there is going to be flex between drive train and engine bolted to a plate chassis.
I agree , they should have checked this.
unfortunately not as this will in turn shift the actual CVD over, which will then move the issue to other end of the CVD hitting the chassis brace as its very close that end also! but not as close as it is engine end! :(

In the end, i dremeled away part of the casing where it was hitting & i also used some Heavy Duty heat shrink tube which when heated activates a layer of glue thats on the inner so will prevent it from sliding :) ...only done a small test so far as ive only just completed fitting new head/piston but seems ok so far!hstube.jpeg
 
Have you checked every screws into metal on the whole DBXL, I finds on Gas and E versions don’t have any thread lock on any screws at all, very bad QC. On the top of dogbone, there is a set screws, using red thread lock.
 
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