my new toy, seaducer cat

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ive had a couple of comments don't run the motor with out water running through it.

i know you cant see it, but i was using this attached to the garden hose and there was 3 nice streams of water comming out of the hull on the left side behind the pipe.

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plug it into the gaden hose (you can see the garden hose across the brick path) the other end of the fitting i made up plugs into the two water lines from the rudder, so there is two constand water lines into the motor and all times
 
well i changed some stickers around and played with the pipe mount some more, today i got some wrap to cover the water lines where they go thru the hull in the engine bay, ill do that later, i might of over done it on the stickers and a bit of shameless self promotion.


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as soon as i find out where to got some shorter springs and my wt-644 throttle lever is here ill get it wet.
 
:clap: Its beautiful, GREAT JOB...:clap:

Please, keep this one from hitting the shore. :eek:

If you don't mind, what did the total cost end up for this build?
 
:clap: Its beautiful, GREAT JOB...:clap:

Please, keep this one from hitting the shore. :eek:

If you don't mind, what did the total cost end up for this build?


sick of the pictures yet :helpsmilie: i don't think this hull will handle hitting banks and tress, its a light race hull

sofar $2730 usd, there is some parts not included in that price but thats all the online recipts i have that ive spend on this build/refit of this cat. remember thats with a second hand hull, engine mounts, strut and rudder, but includes some tools for the build and some small spare items and does not include, my futaba radio the new rcmk evo motor and redline hot pipe that i brougth then sold off to fund the quick draw motor, and then thers shipping over seas, but i guess i spend more money then needed being that it was my first build/refit but had fun along the way and did over time so it didnt hurt as much.

so it was alot cheaper then the all aloy fg mt 2wd i did recently :2guns: but still up there,
 
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I figured with the quality of parts that we kept seeing come in the mail it would not be cheap. Never sick of seeing art being put together....:cool2:
 
i have spent alot more then i thought, i didnt add it up untill you asked, there is most likly around $150 usd or so that i don't have recipts for in my email folder, i spend a bucket load on over seas shipping, b ut i alos saved a bucket load from buying local, but had to wait longer for shipping times.

i had budgeted around $1500 usd to get this cat on the water, but i wanst keen ont he apahce so sold that to fund this cat and i took pride in it as i was doing most of the work myself except the strut mount and rudder mount the rest ive done myself.

im actualy blown away with how much ive spent, on a used hull, but i know i can use 95% of the parts on another new cat build if i look after the partsso the cost of the next build now i have the tolld and a decent motor would be alot cheaper i would think.

ive learnt alot have some fun and got to post up 100 pictures and i plan on giving this cat a good work out :2guns:
 
I need to mod the engine bay so the pulse line from the crank case to the carb, does not rub on the engine rail in the cat, i need to grind and cut the engine rail, but i need a difrent bit for this, so i brought some more dremel bits for my dremel, since its been such a great tool for this build and ive been using it for more then just rc stuff.

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the Dremel 3 jaw Chuck is great no more swapping collets any way im realy looking forward to getting the throttle lever so i can get this thing in the water and do some testing
 
i brought a used prop works prop, it was in good condition, jus a bit dull on the shine


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so i gave it a quick polish with the dremel, i took it slow and steady the prop still seams good just a bit more shine, it needs a bit more polishing, but even thought it was used it still wasnt cheap, so slow and steady.


progress sofar

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i have polsihed props befor with fine grit sand papper and a bit of water but this way is alot eayer and quicker, not a big deal realy but to me its all steps forwards in the learnign curve and progressing in this hobby
 
Hi guys

ive been working on the cat on and off over the last few day, added some more vents to the hatch, cut some more off around the spark plug added a rub rail so the spark plug wire wouldnt get damaged added some tubing around the water lines to help from vibration had to grind a couple of holes on the bottom of the engine tub so and around the engine rail on the carb side to make room for the carbs pulse line so the engine would fit properly and just generaly clean it up a bit and reworked a couple of things

the thottle lever turned up today, but i couldnt get 100% throttle, i was so keen just to get on the water and give it ago even when only been able to get 80% wot, any way i was able to run the boat today for a short time, it was a bit windy with some gust and the chop on the lake was from 1 to 3 + inches (25 to 75mm +), but i thought ill give it a go any way i wasnt expecting to much and i had it stuck in my mind i would have to move the motor back and the first run would be a nitemare., but it wasnt bad, a few more test to see whats what.

i don't like postting any gps readings on the net but i was able to get some half decent speeds for my first cat on its first outing, i had some readings of 54mph when i first put the cat on the water, and after playing around a bit and running the cat a couple of times i had some good results.

today after a few runs i was able to reach a top speed of 58.7 mph (94.5kmh) with the rpm aprox around 17400 rpm while only being able to get 80% full throttle, i know this is where people will say the gps are not acurate, but for me, my wife and duaghter the gps readings where good for me and i had some back to back readings so im happy.

my sendec tack has stoped working the hour counter keeps counting even when the engine is not running and its no longer showing rpm when iddling im not sure if its showing top rpm any more, i have it mounted on a tach mount with double sided foam tape, no bolts and i have the tach mount mounted to the out side of the radio box with double sided foam tape and some bolts that where not to tight, i thought this would help from vibration, the tach wire was plugged into the black coil wire on the engine, but it looks like the tach is dead and befor today it was only used for under 3 mins.

the strut ended up at 0.6 inch (15mm) off the set up table with aprox 1 to 2 degrees positive, i was using a prop works west prop 6617-3-400-LL it is way to small in my opinion, i forgot my 6717-3-430c so next time i take the boat out i will set the strut lower put the bigger prop on and start again, and i will make sure im getting 100% full throttle, might bneed another throttle leaver (long story)

any way today we had some fun, i had one blow off around 54 mph (87kmh) i shut the engine down quick and just sat back and watched the show, then a couple of runs later just after the 58 mph (94 kmh) runs it blew off again.

both times it blew off was driving into the wind and happend around the same time as some gusts of wind, it was even windy enough today at times to blow me around and my rescue boat was blown away a couple of times, it is only a 2 person air boat but i had rocks in it to keep it put.

i was amazed with how the cat turned and how it handled, its still most likly running wet (i say it is) and it got a slight lean to the right, ill have to play with set up and make sure all the hardwear is spot on, no matter what i did the qd 25ht would not bog down and it stayed at any rpm you help the trigger on even in sharp turns im impressed with the motor and i know there is more there.

ive got a funny feeling 62 + mph will be easy but keeping it on the water will be the hard part, ill have to make sure i only run flat out away from the wind and not into the wind like today, but i was just playing around today to get used to the cat and see what i could get away with, all in all im happy.

i had fun, my faimly got to hang out at the lake, my daugher got to play in the water (when i wasnt running the boat) and have a swim and i got to have a chat with a couple of guys so a good day for all, if any one remebers my mono videos the lake is about 10 meters lower then it was a few months ago.

here is a couple of pictures

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and a couple of vids

first run today


second run today


p.s the gps is in kmh, i still need to do some tweaking, check the hardware for true and sort out the steering and have some more fun and mabe get some bigger props
 
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you should of seen the flip after the second video she got about 10 foot in the air half a dosen back flips :boat:

i think being a seaducer a run of glass water would be slower i would like to run it behind a few other boats to get the water all mixed up as even at that speed it running wet.

it was great to finaly get it in the water an i was happy surprised for its first outting
 
i contacted Chris from dasboata about the tach i was told to just send it to sendec and they will replace it, so ive sent a emial off to sendec to confirm where to send it and ill see what happens
 
its seams i have run into a couple of issues with the cat.

one is i cut my flexi to short so i cant do much postive trim of the prop lols a newbie mistake and easly fixed.

the second issue is i can only get 80% throttle with my current set up, i have orered a new 644 throttle leaver.

the third issue is, the extra length of the quickdraws iso block and carb spacer puts the carb realy close to the side of the hull and i only have around 0.4 inch or 10mm you can knock off a couple of mm with the cowel on.

i have spoken to quickdraw ( they have the best custoemr serivice i have ever come across ) and it seams 0.5 inch would be the bare minium and artlest 0.75 inch 20 mm would be about the lest you would want togo.

the cat runs fine with a small prop, but once going to a bigger prop the problem seams to be it jsut will nto run and its starving of air/fuel no matter what the carb needles are at.

running with out the hatch seams to imporve this, but im not keen to do this for longer then a few secons, due to water spray, flips an so on, im confindent the engine is fine, and after a few long chats with Mitych at quick draw, i ahve gone over and checked every thing over on the motor and check for hydro locvk, carb issues and so and so on.

ive gone out a couple of times and again today and ive gone realy ritch on the carb, with the small prop 6617/3-400-ll from prop works west shes fine, but wack on the 6717-430c and shes just bogs finds it hard to come on the pipe an does not like to run.

ive tryed difrent strut hieghts, carb settings from 2 out to 7/8 turns out and she just doesn't wat to run, it seams the carb gap from the side of the hull to the carb is just not enough for it the breath.

i knew this would pop up but i want hopping i could get away with it, i was thinking about cutting up the side of the hull to let the carb get air venting from the side of the hull, but soem of the carb will be blcoked still, im not to keen to cut the cowel and hull up as it will jsut suck in water sray and run a hight risk of hydro locking in flips and stuffs.

i have pulled the engine own today, after another flip, the engine to me looks sweet, ill admit my exprernice is wirh air cooled rc engines, but i can not fault any of quickdraws work.

it looks like i can not over come this problem with the seaducer hull unless drasticly cut up the hull and cowel or i put a zenoah or a rcmk evo into the cat, but i want to keep running the quickdraw motr as sofar it seams strong and very impresive and im more the happy witht he motor and quickdraws custoemr service.

they could blow me off cause im in australia, but no i get fast email replies with long detailed emails, not treating like a idot but clearly explaining things to me, i have learnt alot just by listen to what Mitch has to say about these motors and running them.

ive got another trick up sleave, but after talkignt o my wife, it looks like a new build will be come up soon.

i new this would be an issue and it you afec air speedn and air velocity enteing the carb, and it mgiht of been silly of me trying to spedn 25 mins of run time to see if i can work with it, but i had to try.

i have spoken to a small engine machanic who i trust and hes baslic said no goo i need to mod the hull and hatch to have more breathong space

any way here are some pcitures of what im talking about, the pictures make it look like there is more room then there actualy is, im only a small fellow its hard to get my finger int here to chok the engine to start it


this is what im talking about

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imagion with the cowel on

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im thinck on shelfing the seaduce cat, or selling the hull and starting a new build, unless i can come up with any ideas that don't increase the risk of sucking in water spray or run i higher risk of hysro locking and at this stage im not buying another motor ills tick to the qd25ht.

its a shame as if the first run was any thing to go by this propject was showing loads of promise.
 
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