Tips for sand dune running

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Craig G.

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I have my Rovan baja 27.5 CY all ready for a sand mission. I have been advised to not overdo the throttle and watch the temps! As well as bringing some canned air to blow out the clutch. I will do all of these things, however I am wondering if there are any temp figures I can go by. Like in nitro, 300 degrees is considered kind of a danger zone. Do we have kind of a danger zone for our 30cc two stroke motors? The conditions should be around 55 degrees in a dry high desert climate. Here is a picture of 'Icepick' my 1/5 scale baja. The other machine that will run is my 1987 Suzuki Quadracer!
 

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Temps shouldn't be an issue at this time of year. These motors aren't nearly as finicky as nitros due to the flywheel blowing air over the head. There is a massive 1/5th scale dune running group in India and Pakistan, and it's a lot warmer there. They run bone stock and modified cars.

The main issue with running in sand will be your clutch, air filter and carb. The clutch can get some particulate in it if you're running an open clutch, which you are, but it won't kill anything in the short run. If you're thinking of hitting the dunes often, running an enclosed clutch is recommended, but by no means required. Just do some clean up after your run to determine what kind of mess the dunes will cause in that bell.

The air filter will pick up a lot of dust. Make sure you grease the seat where the filter is touching the base of the mount. This is more important on the HPI filter. The carb is also going to attract a lot of grit. The part to be especially wary of is the air hole for the diaphragm. It can collect sand particles and cause excessive stretching on the diaphragm, leading to tuning issues over time. Team chase makes a filter for the carb, but if you plan on running the dunes a lot, you can just cut a tiny piece of filter foam and stuff it in the hole under the primer bulb mount. Sand grit will also cause excessive wear over time on the carb throttle arm. There are some o-ring mods out there that will reduce this wear.

But in reality, just one day in the dunes will not wreck your car. Just give her a good cleaning when you get home, and have a freaking ball!
 
The main lesson I learned from running on sand is it will get in everywhere no matter how hard you try to stop it. It will also stick to any moisture. I've not run something with greased boots on sand but id be tempted to remove them and remove any and all grease.
 
I'm running Hostile boots on the baja and they've never failed to keep the sand out of my drive cups. Stockers should also work, but make sure you inspect them beforehand to ensure there aren't any tiny tears. They're way more fragile than Hostiles.
 
If it is really dust or you plan on runing a few days. Bring some extra outer wears. Eaither clean yours or just take it off and put a new one on and clean when you get back home. We have had so many people ruin their motorcycles engines after we bore them and warn them about taking two outer filter with them. Change after each day of riding. Some do other don't. Those that don't are the ones who usually sand box their engines at the dunes.
 
I did some "sand blasting" this past summer, and my most frustrating issue was the flywheel's pull start engagement pawls. Sand will get into the pivot pins and cause the pawls to seize in the "open" position . This "open" position won't allow the pull start pulley to engage the pawls and you can's pull start your engine. I've since swapped to a different style of pawl (more sealed against debris intrusion vs. the oem Rovan pawls). Here's the link to the optional ones I installed :

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pull-Start...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
 
Never run on dunes? canned air sounds good?? I'd be prepared for your bearings crapping themselves ??
really good heads up on bearings!
Temps shouldn't be an issue at this time of year. These motors aren't nearly as finicky as nitros due to the flywheel blowing air over the head. There is a massive 1/5th scale dune running group in India and Pakistan, and it's a lot warmer there. They run bone stock and modified cars.

The main issue with running in sand will be your clutch, air filter and carb. The clutch can get some particulate in it if you're running an open clutch, which you are, but it won't kill anything in the short run. If you're thinking of hitting the dunes often, running an enclosed clutch is recommended, but by no means required. Just do some clean up after your run to determine what kind of mess the dunes will cause in that bell.

The air filter will pick up a lot of dust. Make sure you grease the seat where the filter is touching the base of the mount. This is more important on the HPI filter. The carb is also going to attract a lot of grit. The part to be especially wary of is the air hole for the diaphragm. It can collect sand particles and cause excessive stretching on the diaphragm, leading to tuning issues over time. Team chase makes a filter for the carb, but if you plan on running the dunes a lot, you can just cut a tiny piece of filter foam and stuff it in the hole under the primer bulb mount. Sand grit will also cause excessive wear over time on the carb throttle arm. There are some o-ring mods out there that will reduce this wear.

But in reality, just one day in the dunes will not wreck your car. Just give her a good cleaning when you get home, and have a freaking ball!
Really great heads up! It could be a rad place to run!
The main lesson I learned from running on sand is it will get in everywhere no matter how hard you try to stop it. It will also stick to any moisture. I've not run something with greased boots on sand but id be tempted to remove them and remove any and all grease.
I will have to look at the bearings after the run!
If it is really dust or you plan on runing a few days. Bring some extra outer wears. Eaither clean yours or just take it off and put a new one on and clean when you get back home. We have had so many people ruin their motorcycles engines after we bore them and warn them about taking two outer filter with them. Change after each day of riding. Some do other don't. Those that don't are the ones who usually sand box their engines at the dunes.
Wow, I have to keep the quadracer alive! Short runs! no sandboxing the engine!
If it is really dust or you plan on runing a few days. Bring some extra outer wears. Eaither clean yours or just take it off and put a new one on and clean when you get back home. We have had so many people ruin their motorcycles engines after we bore them and warn them about taking two outer filter with them. Change after each day of riding. Some do other don't. Those that don't are the ones who usually sand box their engines at the dunes.
Wow, I have to keep the quadracer alive! Short runs! no sandboxing the engine!
I did some "sand blasting" this past summer, and my most frustrating issue was the flywheel's pull start engagement pawls. Sand will get into the pivot pins and cause the pawls to seize in the "open" position . This "open" position won't allow the pull start pulley to engage the pawls and you can's pull start your engine. I've since swapped to a different style of pawl (more sealed against debris intrusion vs. the oem Rovan pawls). Here's the link to the optional ones I installed :

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Pull-Starter-Ratchet-Pawl-fit-Zenoah-RCMK-CRRC-QJ-Marine-Gas-Engine-for-RCBoat/131076058551?ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649
real good heads up on sand in pull starts!
 
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