Clutch carrier upgrade

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RCDAD said:
The clutch bells are the same size. 54mm is a standard size across many brands.
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Well Rcdad, after taking apart my pulley I realized that the set screw for the gear on the clutch bell is kinda loose. As a result I have a 1mm wobble (regarding the bell moving in and out riding toward the crank and away. It also wobble the other direction where the gear spins about 1mm also). So I tighten the setscrews and confirmed that it doesn't wobble no more. I think this is the main reason why my clutch carrier was breaking. I will have to test the Elcon again with my clutch bell not wobbling no more. Did you recall me mentioning about the slight wobble?
 
Well guys.... I installed my gear plate pulley with set screw tighten just to test and it still make squeaking noise. I don't know what the heck is going on now. Un-mounted the Elcon and inspect and no scratch what so ever on it. What the heck is going on here? Why is GTS not experiencing issue but I am? What the freak? Would love to use the Elcon I wish I know what is going on. Worst case is I go back to clutch carrier cause the non-wobbling gear for my pulley is fixed might solve my original issue. What do you guys think I should do to use my Elcon if I can?
 
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Let me correct myself... the four small bars with the set screw on the Elcon are slightly scratched. That may be what is making that squeaking noise and or moving my car forward during idle. I don't know..... :(
 
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That is frustrating. Sounds like tight tolerances. Those bars should not hit the bell.

I'm wondering if you might have a bent clutch bell shaft. That could cause the bell to have a wobble which would also be the cause of your broken clutch plates.
 
RCDAD said:
That is frustrating. Sounds like tight tolerances. Those bars should not hit the bell. I'm wondering if you might have a bent clutch bell shaft. That could cause the bell to have a wobble which would also be the cause of your broken clutch plates.
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RCdad.... once I fix the slight wobble with the set screw, it now spins perfectly.... no wobble what so ever... your thoughts? I'm going to order a 8k HPI clutch and shoe with 2 stock zenoah clutch carrier. There goes $130 down the drain for the Elcon :( I'm not a happy camper....... Now... I'm troubleshooting from the cheap perspective now by going stock clutch carrier and brand new 8k pad with 8 spring.
 
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RCDAD said:
So what your saying is just the pulley had a slight wobble, not the bell?
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When one of the set screw holding the pulley gear on the clutch bell shaft was loose, the bell will be loose enough to where you can pull it in and out toward the bearing about 1mm travel. There is also a 1mm travel on the spinning of that pulley gear before it hits set screw that's slightly loose. I've tighten the set screw and right now the clutch bell doesn't wobble either way. Solid and smooth now.

So I guess, yes.... the pulley have a slight wobble due to the loose set screw. The bell spins perfect and true. Your thoughts?
 
My thoughts is/are:

Either the clutch or bell is not true. With the engine off, spin the bell slowly. I'm guessing you hear the scrape (ring) in the same spot every time.

You noticed scratches on the sets crew bars of the clutch. Did they all have scratches?

Also when you installed the 4 shoe clutch did it go on easy and nice and square?

If the bell is true the clutch might not be.
 
RCDAD said:
My thoughts is/are:Either the clutch or bell is not true. With the engine off, spin the bell slowly. I'm guessing you hear the scrape (ring) in the same spot every time.

You noticed scratches on the sets crew bars of the clutch. Did they all have scratches?

Also when you installed the 4 shoe clutch did it go on easy and nice and square?

If the bell is true the clutch might not be.
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When I first installed it, I listen to what the heck was going on. I notice it was ringing after one full cycle of the bell's spinning. Now that I've taken the Elcon apart and verify what is going on... I notice 1 one of the set screw bar has a deeper scratch. While the other three has minor scratches. I would imagine a full RPM, the bars will be destroyed? I don't get how GTS gets away with his Elcon? Unless he's done some kind of special mod on his MT?
 
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Rcdad, now you understand why I need a range that will let me shoot stuff that piss me off. I wasn't being cheap too, I payed good money for something to work and it doesn't. I feel cheated :(
 
RCDAD said:
Might want to take a look inside the bell and see where the bars were rubbing.
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Yes, they are rubbing on the side where the set screw bars are rubbing for sure. I notice by doing a google... I find some Baja folks destroying their Elcon, melting the Teflon like water. Some claim it works good while some hated it. Crazy.... I don't know what to believe. For my case, it sucks! :( With this kind of money I could of puchased my Freewing Spirit plane :(
 
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ChuenouXiao said:
Rcdad, now you understand why I need a range that will let me shoot stuff that piss me off. I wasn't being cheap too, I payed good money for something to work and it doesn't. I feel cheated :(
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I'm am really curious to what went wrong. I'm going to get one to see what I can figure out.

Another question... Is your crank nice and tight? No play? Just want to rule out a bad bearing.
 
ChuenouXiao said:
Yes, they are rubbing on the side where the set screw bars are rubbing for sure. I notice by doing a google... I find some Baja folks destroying their Elcon, melting the Teflon like water. Some claim it works good while some hated it. Crazy.... I don't know what to believe. For my case, it sucks! :( With this kind of money I could of puchased my Freewing Spirit plane :(
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I'd talk to DDM. They might help you out with a refund.
 
RCDAD said:
I'm am really curious to what went wrong. I'm going to get one to see what I can figure out. Another question... Is your crank nice and tight? No play? Just want to rule out a bad bearing.
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How do you know if the bearing is shot in the crank with out taking the engine completely apart? From the outside, it looks nice and solid. Bearing seal looks nice and new too when viewing from the outside.
 
Sounds ok then. Grab ahold of the clutch and see if you can move it. If the seals are clean your most likely ok.
 
RCDAD said:
Sounds ok then. Grab ahold of the clutch and see if you can move it. If the seals are clean your most likely ok.
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Rcdad, placed the clutch on the crank without the screw. Attempt to move the crank with the clutch and it won't budge. I will contact DDM if they can help me. I hope they will be fair and nice about it. So far they've been great about taking care of their customer including me. Here is a pic showing the portion of the set screw bar with the most damage.
 
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RCDAD said:
That is frustrating. Sounds like tight tolerances. Those bars should not hit the bell. I'm wondering if you might have a bent clutch bell shaft. That could cause the bell to have a wobble which would also be the cause of your broken clutch plates.
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Agree that the bars should not touch maybe a bent clutch bell shaft or bearing failure in the gear plate which ever or what ever the problem I don't know what is causing the problem. I haven't had any issues with fitment or running yet I hope you can sort it out mate because they are excellent.
 
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