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U R the next Dane Cook my good man!!!

I don't' think ur ganging up, u all have different view of the FS because u have seen them first. I still have yet to see anyone up here that has one local anyway.
I may not agree with your rundown of it, but thats y opinions are like asses, everybodys got one!!!
 
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And to stay the FS is better quality than the KM is a far, far stretch. Have you actually held them both mate? And what about there originals that they were cloned from, got much experience with them? It really gets me when dealers try to exaggerate the quality of cheap chinese crap and convince unsuspecting buyers that they are just as good as the originals they stole the design from... only cheaper. I just hope you are not trying to do this, honesty goes a long way in customer relations.
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Tell me..... is the plastic made in Tiawan better than plastic in China??

The reason I ask is I have the SS from HPI and all the part bags came with oriental writting/stamps showing Q.C. (Quality Control) inspected by Mr. Wong or some other oreintal decent.

Both the HPI bajas5 and the SS parts are made by a foreign country of oriental decent.

Thats the only difference between the HPI bajas and the KM bajas the chemical makeup of the plastic and about $500

What do you guys think the main dealers that import HPI baja5 pay for them???? They pay about what the KM goes for..... then they add their profit margins.

Just like FG dealers here in the States....the main importer gets the best price, direct from FG Germany ($400-450 per unit when bought buy the container).... then he sets the prices for all the other dealers to advertise on the web and makes his profit by distributing to the US dealers....usually 80-100% profit say $800 - 900

All the subdealers under him they still get a 35% profit margin or less if you deal with them in person :)
$800 plus 35% or 280= $1080 (think about that next time your buying a FG here in the USA)

I enjoy my 1/5 vehicles ....just don't like the high price tags and the high profit margins
 

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Wasn't he the bearded guy in Mr Brooks?...that was a good movie.

Hellya, I have seen first hand that the plastics are not as good on the clones.

I have seen the KM baja clone, the FS MCD clone and also the TQ monster truck clone. I am NOT impressed with any of them...just my 2 cents. Hopefully the quality will improve for the people who want to buy them....that won't be me.

No Moa's comment probably sums this whole argument up succinctly,
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opinions are like asses, everybodys got one!!!
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This argument will just keep going around and around and around....even though Monaroman, Powerslide and myself are correct:lol::lol::lol:
 
This argument will just keep going around and around and around....even though Monaroman, Powerslide and myself are correct:lol::lol::lol:
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:) oh I see the blokes from aussy are correct and all of us foreniers are wrong:clown: Just joking:phone:

I have seen many a agruement about plastics FGS is better than Duratraxes

German is better than chinas.


I do agree the KM plastics seem to have less flex, its a shinny black plastic and HPIs a flat black.(softer, less brittle)

But like I said
Thats the only difference between the HPI bajas and the KM bajas the chemical makeup of the plastic and about $500
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But like I said
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Thats the only difference between the HPI bajas and the KM bajas the chemical makeup of the plastic and about $500

You are starting to agree with us....better watch out Hellya...you will want to move out to Australia soon mate...:lol::lol:
 
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Thats the only difference between the HPI bajas and the KM bajas the chemical makeup of the plastic and about $500

What do you guys think the main dealers that import HPI baja5 pay for them???? They pay about what the KM goes for..... then they add their profit margins.
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Try using some of your own logic there smellya.

So imagine what a KM costs to make then if they can sell them at half the price? The kinds of stores selling KM's and FS's over here are FAR from reputable and are only in it for the money, they are not providing a community service as you maybe thinking:nono::no:
 
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Thats the only difference between the HPI bajas and the KM bajas the chemical makeup of the plastic and about $500
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Not another Aussie trying to gang up on ya hellya. Let say both of them are made in China, but I'm sure one company's quality control is much better than the other:2guns:

Just my 2 aussie cents:2guns:
 
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I think I have missed something...got no idea about this one.

Both Kooltoyz and Hellya have admitted that the quality of these clones is not up to par...and I think that knowingly selling these to "virgins" in this hobby is not good form. Like Monaroman said, the constant repairs could turn them off the hobby before they get a true representation of how great the hobby can be.

...Monster the HPI's are made in Taiwan not China I think.
 
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I think I have missed something...got no idea about this one.

Both Kooltoyz and Hellya have admitted that the quality of these clones is not up to par...and I think that knowingly selling these to "virgins" in this hobby is not good form. Like Monaroman said, the constant repairs could turn them off the hobby before they get a true representation of how great the hobby can be.

...Monster the HPI's are made in Taiwan not China I think.
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So which one is better China or Taiwan:clown:
 
and we go on and on and on and on and on and on and on how gives a bleep
im going this weekend to pick my FS RACING 4WD MT and gone have some fun till it breaks not sure how long that will take also got new filter for the petrol tank,airfilter and looking at the fg baja wheels and a good set of servos
 
Just remember these clones are on there first or second revision im sure there were problems with FG's & MCD's at that stage. Cast your mind back to when the japs started making cars everyone though they were crap and took the p**s out them and now..... no ones laughing. The same thing will happen with these cars the chinese are learning quick and listening to the issues and putting them right once the clones get to rev 4-5 they'll be getting better and better and again no one will be laughing apart from the ozzy's who have spend a fortune already lol The chinese might not be good at inventing stuff but nor are ozzys have you even got a good RC brand or car manufacturer? lol

As for the chinese taiwanese question the taiwanese have more experiance as they have had an american influence for years and in general there stuffs better but they still make most of there stuff in china the difference is the tai presence in manufacturing.
Asian rule of thumb JAP>TAI>CHIN LOL

Bigtoys why you insist on mis quoting everyThing i say is it cause you have nothing else worth say. You are the scottish definition of a BAWBAG LOL
 
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first came the Marder...then came the jap clones

Everone bitched about how cheap the firehammer and traveller was put together..... the plastic sucked...FG was better

well all those clones people bitched about years ago are still on the market and still part of the hobby

Not another Aussie trying to gang up on ya hellya. Let say both of them are made in China, but I'm sure one company's quality control is much better than the other
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The RTR hpi baja5 leaves the factory after QC no diff oil in the diff...thats good QC? people have problems with the radio systems.....All models have their weak spots

Over here in the USA dealers get the onroad FS rolling chasis... upgrade them and sell them for $1200....that defeats the purpose

People can female dog and moan all they want ...years from now these clones will still be here, still part of the hobby and there will be people on these forums stating they like them and hate them

Try using some of your own logic there smellya.

So imagine what a KM costs to make then if they can sell them at half the price? The kinds of stores selling KM's and FS's over here are FAR from reputable and are only in it for the money, they are not providing a community service as you maybe thinking
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Its OK morron man

The same manufacturing cost for the KM is about the same cost for the HPI or basic FG off road don't be fooled...:no:

manufactured for $200-300,,,,, mass production = lowerprices for the manufacturer

I have yet purchase any vehicles from Aussy...I ordered my KM and FS from a US seller ....mabey you need a couple of reputable sellers in Aussy to carry FS KM and the spare parts...We need a couple in the USA:helpsmilie:

Atleast we have plenty of KM baja spare parts
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0005p?&I=HPIC0600&P=Z

The clones arent leaving the hobby.... so might as well embrace them and make them decent
 
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Bigtoys why you insist on mis quoting everyThing i say is it cause you have nothing else worth say.

See above...that's called a quote. I have no need to misquote you, when you say such stupid things of your own accord!

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 You are the scottish definition of a BAWBAG LOL

Come on man...get creative

Kooltoyz, I know that you are not the full quid, but proving you wrong is a piece of piss. You constantly go the raw prawn when saying how great the FS cars are which leaves us Aussies gobsmacked. Why don't you use the good oil and tell everyone that the FS cars are CRAP.
You are the Aussie version of a WHACKER!
 
BigToys (bawbag)You have proven no-one wrong as i never once said the clones are great yet again your talking rubbish and mis-quoting me. I know the clones have problems and im the first to admit the servos suck and the radio gear isnt very good but it still does the job and we are running 2 of the 3 test clones on original trans with no problems, but lets face the facts most people put there own servos and trans/rec gear in anyway so i feel its not a big issue. I have ordered the next batch without these parts and will be offering a hitec servo replacement and 2.4ghz spekrum radio gear option for those who need it.
The CY engine is more than up for the job and we have had no issues so far with any of the 3 machines but i will also be offering a ZEN option 2 those who can afford it.
So far not any plastic part on any of the 3 have failed even with 30mph rolls and big jumps infact the metal tracking arms sheer before the plastic which are cheap and easy to replace so i wouldnt say the plastic is brittle at all.
We have seen some issues with the diff bearings and have replaced 1 bearing on 2 machines again cheap and easy to replace. We think excessive vibraion due to the drive coupling coming loose it the root cause as it only has one grub screw but were still looking into this problem and will be testing them again this weekend.
As for the chassis and shocks we have seen no issues yet to report, i estimate 12-15 tanks of fuel so far been through each off them with nothing major to report.
I fully expect bawbag to pick at my post again and mis-quote me, talk rubbish and offer nothing worth reading it seems he thinks thats a worth while contribution.

I would love to here any first hand experience from people who have these clones and any problems there having, i met with the sales manger a few months ago in china and he is very keen to get the feedback on issues and make improvements. He called me last week and said there will be a Futaba trans coming, MG servos and a 35cc engine option available in may, so look forward to that.

Thanks
kooltoyz
 
I love my clones just got my $285 (plus ship) Smartech Traveller ...no radio system
New in a box with a 23 cc zenoah (not a CY)

People are selling these retail for $700-900
 
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You have proven no-one wrong as i never once said the clones are great

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the FS is the best clone out there for the job 4WD.

Thanks once again Kooltoyz for your highly intelligent and insightful post.
 
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Why do the clone manufactures need to be told what to improve, are they that dam useless they don't even test there own product? Have you asked them for a share in the company profits for helping them with there, um, R & D, no that isn't right, copying abilities.
Yeah after 4-5 revisions it may be slightly better but by then it will be well out of date, as the fs was already out of date before it was even released.
Sounds like kooltoys has had quite a few problems with his clones reading through that list, I would have chucked it off a cliff and got something decent.
 
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